Manchester United Thread [2004-2005]

[manutd4eva]

Originally posted by untouchable
Add fortune to that list as well. Sometimes football isn't like Football Manager, where u just nonchalantly say that we need to sell this and do this or whatever and automatically expect it to work. We should be able to utilize the players we have to full potential.

In my opinion, a Saha/Ruud combo up front bore goals, but both have been on the sick bed way too much this season, that is just plain bad luck. That could happen to any team. We could sell a big name now, buy another one and lose him to injury so you just have to accept that these things will happen.

The true useless players in my opinion are P.Neville, Fortune, Bellion, Miller and Silvestre. Fortune is ok but not world class, sure he does a few backheels here and there but he isn't consistently good. Bellion is just useless, showed bags of promise in his debut here in the US, then just went down the toilet. Miller has just looked out of place and out of sorts, should be in the conference. Silvestre is waaaaaaay too error prone, and shouldn't be trusted with protecting our backline of all places.

I think that given a longer run in the team, Kleberson can do well, he's been f*ckin cursed with injury, and he has been trying to pack on some muscle for the epl. When he does play well he can be pure genius at times. I think if we can line him up next to a Gattuso or Essien, he'll be more free to attack and create.

I'm just interested in who we might go for in the summer, my transfer dealings would be:

Sell
P.Neville
Q.Fortune
Bellion
Silvestre
Miller if possible

Buy

Essien/Gatttuso (or both if possible)
Frey(looks near unbeatable sometimes, Parma are in frail financial health if Im not mistaken)
A winger, it's this dutch guy that played in the friendly vs England, he ran them ragged but I forgot his name, we may be able to get him on the cheap.
A right fullback, I'd take the portugese Miguel(I think that's his name) or someone else good.

We have the dough, the board needs to stop frontin' and put it to better use. I'm also backing a few youngsters like Rossi to get promoted into the first team.

First of all why would we need a right full back when we have Gary Neville? I think this has been one of Gary's better seasons for us, he has been excellent both defensively and attacking wise, nothing spectacular, but he gets the job done efficiently. I do agree with you sentiments about Silvestre, though. Along with Wes Brown, these two are too damn error prone for my liking. When Ferdinand returned, Silvestre looked good for a couple months but he has since gone back to his form of last season. I still prefer him to Brown, though, as his cockups aren't as costly as Brown's tend to be.

About Saha again, it's not like I don't rate him as a player, but let's face it Sir Alex is not going to bench a 30 million pound player too often, and I feel Saha is the odd man out where our four strikers are concerned. He doesn't have the versatility of a Alan Smith and sooner or later he's going to want a consistent run in the team, which he won't get with Rooney and Ruud around. He'll be confined to run outs in the Cup matches every now and again or sitting and waiting for an injury. I just feel he deserves better.

I don't quite know where Sir Alex will fit Rossi into the equation, because with Rooney and Scholes around, and the possibilites of a new winger on the cards, it will be very hard for him, would like to see him given a decent run, though.

In all seriousness, I highly doubt we'll be able to get Gattuso, Essien is a possibilty, though. But we'd have to hope the board don't get stingy again. I watched the Lyon vs Bremen match today and he was once again class, scoring two excellent goals as well!

On the goalkeeping side, I don't have a clue who the heel we can get, although Kameni would be worth a try. But as you said, it might not be a bad idea to go after Frey either.

Couple months ago, I would've wanted us to go after Downing, but he's kinda fallen since his early season heroics. Still gutted we didn't sign Robben, though.

 

[TheBlueBalla]

Firstly, lemme just throw my lot in with a little perspective. You all lost to AC frigging Milan

There is no need to go nuts. I know theyve lost a few stinkers in SerieA, but this has got to be the best team, top to bottom in the world, and they managed to beat you 1-0 twice. This doesnt make your team any less

That said, most of these people who advocate cutting off the deadwood on your roster are just right. Guys like Liam Miller probably want to go, because they will never get a chance with how shyte they are. If you can find a willing buyer for Saha I think you could address many of your needs this summer, easily. Perhaps what you need is not an Essien/Gattuso type, but an attacking type a la Kaka (not of his caliber obviously, cause that would cost an assload) who could be both an attacking mid and a forward if need be. Van der Vaart I think could be perfect in this role. A guy like Phil Nev is someone who you should definately keep: he isnt worth more to you, in cash, than he is as a fill in for all the places he fits.
On top of that, you all are the biggest revenue generating club in the world. For gods sake, your war chest is not completely barren as some people seem to think, but if you sell Saha, and get something for the others that should be out the door, im sure you will be fine for a few mid-sized, Heinze caliber transfers. If you get that Kameni fella, maybe a metzelder or Phil Lamb, a Rosicky or Petrov for the midfield, or VanderVaart, i think youll do enough to address your needs

 

[manutd4eva]

Rafael van der Vaart? Maybe two years ago, but at the moment he's shit.

We don't need an attacking midfielder we still have Scholes who still has some years left in him, a defensive midfielder is top priority.

 

[QYC]

Metzelder will never sign for United. Lahm is on loan to Sttutggart and will return to Munich in the summer. And Bayern will not sell one of the best young players of the country.

 

[ForzaNerrazurri]

Gattuso isn't going anywhere, so get that out of your heads.

 

[TheBlueBalla]

Originally posted by QYC
Metzelder will never sign for United. Lahm is on loan to Sttutggart and will return to Munich in the summer. And Bayern will not sell one of the best young players of the country.

I was just using these as examples: Defenders who are good, young, strong, logical, unemotional, German

I too do not think Gattuso will ever leave Milan unless they want him gone.

A guy like Van der Vaart may be crap now, but 9 times out of 10, young, highly skilled players like that who turn shyte do so because of a temporary skid. Im convinced people like him, or Tomas Ro "snap out of it" eventually. The point is not specifics. The point is that with some clever sales, im sure you will have dough to spend, but that you dont necesscarily need to change that much

 

[ryan_goal]

That's it, time is up for Fergie. The club has been standing still both in Europe and in EPL ever since we did the treble back in 1999. And I dont see how fergie can bring the best out of the club and lead the club to advance to another higher level. Our top recruitment priority now is a new high-profile continental manager but that endless list of players ever mentioned. And on top of my wish list is Hitzfield, followed by Ronald Koeman.

Fergie, thank you for all those good memories you brought to the fans. But now, plz fking resign for good at the end of the season!

 

[manutd4eva]

Originally posted by ryan_goal
That's it, time is up for Fergie. The club has been standing still both in Europe and in EPL ever since we did the treble back in 1999. And I dont see how fergie can bring the best out of the club and lead the club to advance to another higher level. Our top recruitment priority now is a new high-profile continental manager but that endless list of players ever mentioned. And on top of my wish list is Hitzfield, followed by Ronald Koeman.

Fergie, thank you for all those good memories you brought to the fans. But now, plz fking resign for good at the end of the season!

Must be a wind up.

 

[ryan_goal]

*FACT*
Hitzfield got sacked after one season w/o trophy, Lippi resigned after failing to deliver last season, regardless of the number of trophies they won for the club.

Look at where Bayern and Juve stand in their respective leagues.

*Another FACT*
You are a clueless cu nt.

PERIOD.

 

[sky.]

I am still uncertain of Fergie. I am obviously 101% supportive of him, he motivates the team and can still be in the game for a good 2-3 years. But a change of manager would change the flavor of Manchester United, and I dont know if thats a good thing or bad.

I dont really want a "Rafa-lution"..

 

[rhizome17]

Yeah, Glazer's 'to do' list:

1. Sack Fergie

 

[RockShow]

our main problem is that we are in a transition from old to new. keane is still around and a shadow of his former self( i dont care how good he plays he aint what he used to be) as are giggs and scholes. all out must start players dont fit together well. we are starting 2 strikers, 3 attacking mids and a defencive mid. but one of our attack mids has to sit deep to protect our DM.

also, all these players you guys are wanting to off load are always played out of position. bellion is a striker yet i have never ever seen him start as one. miller is a central mid/ defencive mid, yet he always gets stuck out on the wing. both saha and kleb are top quality players that have had a bad run of injury( sell the physio not them)

at the end of the day i personally would off load keano. sure he can still kick a ball, read the game brilliantly and is a great leader. but sadly he lacks what his position requires, a ton of engery to run all over the pitch to make the tackles.

 

[SlowSilver]

Originally posted by ryan_goal
*FACT*
Hitzfield got sacked after one season w/o trophy, Lippi resigned after failing to deliver last season, regardless of the number of trophies they won for the club.

Look at where Bayern and Juve stand in their respective leagues.

*Another FACT*
You are a clueless cu nt.

PERIOD.

Look at where Juve are? I believe they were 8 points clear at one time, now Milan are level with them. A team with Juve's quality should still have that 8 point lead, but they don't, they've blown it and Milan are probably going to win Serie A now.

 

[sky.]

Originally posted by RockShow
bellion is a striker yet i have never ever seen him start as one.

There are times he has, and he has responded with goals, usually off the bench as well. If we're not getting much money for him then I'd keep him, he's still young, and offload Saha perhaps. He was quite good with RVN last season but we got Rooney now, and he gets injured too much. I dont think he or Smith would enjoy reserve football very much so.....

 

[ladylover]

Originally posted by untouchable
A winger, it's this dutch guy that played in the friendly vs England, he ran them ragged but I forgot his name, we may be able to get him on the cheap.

If you are talking about Romeo Castelen from Feyenoord, he could be good, but he is to invisible at times this season, actually he only plays well in the dutch team, if you are looking for a creative midfielder then van Bommel or Landzaat from AZ would do well. Landzaat is also from Ajax' youth system. Essien is very good, he scored 2 goals against Bremen. And for right back I would like to see either Trabelsi as this is surely his last season at Ajax' or AZ's Kromkamp, he is young and strong.

 

[ryan_goal]

Originally posted by SlowSilver
Look at where Juve are? I believe they were 8 points clear at one time, now Milan are level with them. A team with Juve's quality should still have that 8 point lead, but they don't, they've blown it and Milan are probably going to win Serie A now.

If you have the intelligence of a high-school student, you should be able to see the points I was trying to make:

with their respective new coaches,

1) Both Bayern and Juve improve from last season
2) Both of them are leading their domestic leagues

But ya I agree with you that Juve suck big time although they are level with Milan on top of the table with the same goal differences.

Slowsilver...

 

[muz88]

Originally posted by ryan_goal
If you have the intelligence of a high-school student, you should be able to see the points I was trying to make:

with their respective new coaches,

1) Both Bayern and Juve improve from last season
2) Both of them are leading their domestic leagues

But ya I agree with you that Juve suck big time although they are level with Milan on top of the table with the same goal differences.

Slowsilver...

manutd also improved this year from last year. they were 3rd last year and their second now no but really manutd played a lot better this year than last year. its not ferguson's fault were out of the champions league we were just unlucky.

 

[b-ytter]

Originally posted by ryan_goal
That's it, time is up for Fergie. The club has been standing still both in Europe and in EPL ever since we did the treble back in 1999. And I dont see how fergie can bring the best out of the club and lead the club to advance to another higher level. Our top recruitment priority now is a new high-profile continental manager but that endless list of players ever mentioned. And on top of my wish list is Hitzfield, followed by Ronald Koeman.

Fergie, thank you for all those good memories you brought to the fans. But now, plz fking resign for good at the end of the season!

Dont agree with you there!
The day fergie step's down,would be like a plane loosing a motor!
I still think he has a lot to give the club and hope he will be around for a while!

 

[SlowSilver]

Originally posted by ryan_goal
If you have the intelligence of a high-school student, you should be able to see the points I was trying to make:

with their respective new coaches,

1) Both Bayern and Juve improve from last season
2) Both of them are leading their domestic leagues

But ya I agree with you that Juve suck big time although they are level with Milan on top of the table with the same goal differences.

Slowsilver...

Heh...talk about slow The point I am making is that the only reason Juve have been leading is because Milan started slow. Bayern Muchen are always going to win it very year because the rest of the teams are nowhere near as good. When I say that, Bayern are good, I am talking about individuals. They can turn a game around in a second, but the rest of the teams are pretty crap.

 

[manutd4eva]

Manchester United haven't done all that bad this season especially in the league. It's just that Chelsea are winning league because they got lucky and had a sugar daddy come bail them out. Without the Russian, we would've been winning the league at this point.

The blue cunts.