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New Simulator

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myfatcat

Reserve Team
Big thanks to UpTheIrons ;) The advice actually works.

Played with the following tactic below, using Short Passing/Offensive/Normal. And it won 3-1 for the one match I've had a chance to try it out with.

I was a bit iffy about playing no. 8 further forward, but he was dynamic and created all the chances really.

Also, no. 55 and no. 2 really DO clear EVERYTHING up before it gets close to the defense. Although it might be worth playing the three at the back bit wider to close down on the opposition who go around the two DMs.

And it might be worth moving the no.8 further forward a bit, and make 6 and 7 a bit more central.

And it ends up looking like the 3-4-3 UpTheIrons has described already :) The boy knows his stuff.
 
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UpTheIrons

Club Supporter
Originally posted by Bluecoaster
Just for the sake of this thread and because I love seeing UpTheIrons help our little community, I posted my tactics to see what he's got to say about it (a simple diamond midfield strategy). This thread has also been made STICKY

EDIT: Just to mention, my strikers all have over 5 stamina and my midfielders over 4, using short passing and have won every match since the new simulator using the same tactic.
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Defence
In a straight line for a back three. And they are also reasonably positioned. In my eyes, this is the perfect way for a back 3 defence, if playing a four or five man midfield - as you are.

Midfield
Again, your options are available. Does the defensive midfielder when starting an attack send it to the left, centre, or right? His options are sparse.

Attack
Perhaps try dropping #10 and #11 back slightly so that they can play off of your central striker. Similar to the way Scholes plays off of Nistelrooy.
Code: 
      X
X          X

This will also support your attacking midfielder.

Strategy:

Mentality: It's a very balanced tactic. 3-4-3's are normally games which are won in the middle of the park. So the midfield carry a major burden. If you have a cracking defence, then attacking. If not, then normal should do it.

Style: Short passing, as aforementioned, these type of tactics are won in midfield. You don't want to be having your centre-back hoofing a long ball to your strikers only to be cut out by an opposing defender. Use the midfield - Use short passing.

Aggression: No need for major aggression, normal should be fine.






Originally posted by myfatcat
Big thanks to UpTheIrons ;) The advice actually works.
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I'm offended that you even doubted me. ;)

Your welcome, myfatcat. The same goes for anyone else if they would like any help, just drop me a line and I'll attempt to help and get back to you as soon as possible.



Played with the following tactic below, using Short Passing/Offensive/Normal. And it won 3-1 for the one match I've had a chance to try it out with.

I was a bit iffy about playing no. 8 further forward, but he was dynamic and created all the chances really.

Also, no. 55 and no. 2 really DO clear EVERYTHING up before it gets close to the defense. Although it might be worth playing the three at the back bit wider to close down on the opposition who go around the two DMs.

And it might be worth moving the no.8 further forward a bit, and make 6 and 7 a bit more central.
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Congratulations. It's good to see that I am not wasting my time. Depending on the calibre of your opposition, don't get too excited just yet. You have a very good team, but it still may have to be tweaked. As aforementioned, if you need a hand, don't hesitate to ask. I don't bite...hard. :D

I would suggest moving your #6 and #7 South to the half way line, and then pushing your #8 up slightly more. However, if a team is playing in the way your #55 and #2 are, then your #8 will be made less effective as he will have less space to work in, so always review your opponents tactics before setting your own.



And it ends up looking like the 3-4-3 UpTheIrons has described already :) The boy knows his stuff.
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Boy? Cheeky wee sod. :D





Originally posted by Essendon BFC
You praised myfatcats tactics UpTheIrons.

His tactic is exactly the same as mine except everything is pushed up more, Though you had lots of suggestions on how to change mine but not myfatcats.

Also can you post a pic of what you mean by segregated line which seperates attack and midfield?
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Visually compare the two. It is the reason his players are pushed up more is what I approved of. Sitting back very deep is dangerous, and if you play with fire, you will get burnt.

Having a whole team 10 yards deeper can affect the outcome of a game and determine the difference bettween three points and zero points.

Your defence would find it particuarly hard breaking if they were in posession seeing as their options infront of them are very limited. You could use the easy option and opt for the long ball, but you will give posession away far too much because there is nothing to aim for.
 
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UpTheIrons

Club Supporter
Take a screenshot of your tactic.

Go to your tactics page and press print screen. Go into Microsoft paint and go to edit > Paste.

Save it, and then upload it on SoccerGaming.
 
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UpTheIrons

Club Supporter


I like it.

Defence
Three man defence playing how I expected them to be, especially with the cover in front of them. Fine as far as I can see.

Midfield
Are #21 and #2 midfielders? If not, then take them back a notch ever so slightly until they're classed as defenders.

#10 and #5 provide width, which works well with the slightly wider strikers, and #3 is 'the hole'. I would play your best midfielder in this position.

Attack
#8 and #22 are wider than normal, and this will benefit wing-attacks when #10 and #5 burst down the flanks.

Strategy

The formation is fine. However, the strategy could make or break the formation, so it is vital that your approach is correct.

Mentality: Your players are deep, you have 5 players defending, and 5 attacking. You can opt to play normal, or attack, depending on the calibre of your defensive players.

Style: Short passing is perfect for that midfield of yours. However it could prove to be a bugger to get it up to the front men.

Wing play would be effective seeing as your strikers are already out wide, as are your wingers (obviously).

I would say short passing. However, if your wingers are the best players, then use the flanks instead.

Aggression: 5 defenders, and 5 attackers is very balanced. If it was a 3-5-2, then I would go for aggressive. If it is a 5-3-2, then choose normal. Go for normal.
 
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Essendon BFC

Senior Squad
Originally posted by UpTheIrons
Attack
Perhaps try dropping #10 and #11 back slightly so that they can play off of your central striker. Similar to the way Scholes plays off of Nistelrooy.
Code: 
      X
X          X

This will also support your attacking midfielder.
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Like this?:
 
M

Mutt

Yahoo Pool King
this is the one im going to play with ... just waiting to see whats going on with all the matches that have been delayed and have disapeared from my schedule.. :o :confused: :rolleyes:
 
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pavnedved

Club Supporter
Awesome:). Thanks Up The Irons.

My wingers aren't actually spring chickens and don't usually "burst up the flanks," but rather, they are intelligent players with basic technique who keep the midfield composed.

I normally do use short passing as you suggested, but on occasions I use long balls rather than wing play:o. Speed is obviously against me for using wings, but I also think that 3 strikers is more affective with wings. Only 1 striker in the box doesn't provide too many options(:/). (My #3 is fielded as a forward, but he's more of a Totti playing behind the front two.)

I use long balls against compact defenses like mine. The sim doesn't always make the defenders punt the ball forward in a long balls tactic. Rather, more high balls are passed compared to ground balls. With only 3 main men in offense with 5 and 10 jogging up the flanks to provide width and a couple more options, against a compact defense, I thought knocking the ball over their heads might be a good idea:confused:.

And 21 and 2 are DM's. They help out in keeping possession by coming forward when necessary. And they are more of midfielders than defenders. Do you strongly suggest pulling them back? And should I play #3 as mid?

I would really like to hear your thoughts on these.

Thanks,

pavnedfved
 
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UpTheIrons

Club Supporter
Originally posted by Essendon BFC
Like this?:
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Yes, but move them slightly lower to the lush-green line.



Originally posted by pavnedved

And 21 and 2 are DM's. They help out in keeping possession by coming forward when necessary. And they are more of midfielders than defenders. Do you strongly suggest pulling them back? And should I play #3 as mid?

I would really like to hear your thoughts on these.

Thanks,

pavnedfved
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After reading the caliber of your wingers, and how vital they are to you for posession, and the spark of attacks, then there would be no need to move them back. And as you're playing route one, then keave #3 as he is.



Originally posted by mutt
this is the one im going to play with ... just waiting to see whats going on with all the matches that have been delayed and have disapeared from my schedule.. :o :confused: :rolleyes:
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White circle = Ball
Red line - scenario 1
Blue line = scenario 2
Black line = Player run
Purple cross = opposition

Do you see what I mean by your defence being uneven causing you problems? The centre-back is playing the opposition striker onside. It is trouble. Straighten the defence out.
 
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UpTheIrons

Club Supporter
Originally posted by Essendon BFC
So UpTheIrons, Whats your tactic?:p
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In true prawn-sandwich style, the 4-3-3. :D I won 11-0 with it on Thursday in the cup, so as long those results keep coming in, I'm going to keep using it. It's not cheating, nor is it exploiting a bug as previous arguments have claimed. It's merely taking advantage of an offside rule, something which we all know happens week-in, and week-out. Is there a better tactic than a 4-3-3? I would wager given time, I could find a more effective tactic, similar with the high defence, but a variation.

My 'B' tactic consists of the first team, but in a different formation. It completely nullified the 4-3-3 high defence, all because of #6 who has; 6 passing, 6 shooting, 7 ball control, 5 play intelligence, 4 stamina, 4 set plays, 3 experience, 6 form, and then 0 in speed, tackling, header, crossing and keeping. He's still only 21 years old, and is worth £330,000 odd, I picked him up for £220,000. not bad for an Argentinian. ;)

My 'C' tactic is exactly the same as my 'B', but with my reserves and youths. Playing them regularly raises the team form, adds to their experience and also gives my first team a chance to rest. I have 6 youth players, 3 of which are going to very good, so it is vital I give them games and experience, but do not over do it.

Tactic 'B' pictured:[/b]
 
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monkeyhappy

Senior Squad
ok on the left is what the other looks like now and on the right is a planned attacking formation can you advise on that aswell :$
 
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Essendon BFC

Senior Squad
You havent been having the best of results with that tactic above in a couple of recent matches. I dont think the 4-3-3 would work well for me because you have to have good players this time for it to actually work and my players arent that good, So im trying different tactics at moment.
 
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UpTheIrons

Club Supporter
Originally posted by monkeyhappy
ok on the left is what the other looks like now and on the right is a planned attacking formation can you advise on that aswell :$
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Defence
#16, #20, and #18 should be in a straight line. Don't play #20 deeper.

Midfield
Your lack of midfield support is going to be a problem for the defence when they gain posession.

Bring back #9 and #7, and push #28 farther up, like this:

Code: 
      28

9           7


Attackers

The idea of wide-wingers getting in behind the oppositions full-backs is a good idea.

Code: 
        X
X       X      X
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        X
     X     X
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     X  X  X

Code: 
        X
X       X      X
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      X   X  
        X   
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     X  X  X


I would opt for the latter.

Strategy

Mentality: Defensive seeing as you're
Style: Wing-play or long ball due to lack of midfield.
Aggression: Aggressive seeing as you're sparse at the back.

Originally posted by Essendon BFC
You havent been having the best of results with that tactic above in a couple of recent matches. I dont think the 4-3-3 would work well for me because you have to have good players this time for it to actually work and my players arent that good, So im trying different tactics at moment.
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Well I do have a nine-ball striker who constantly jumps betwen nine and ten form. :D
 
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