Official Election 2004 Results

[Hyun]

Yes I'm such a brainwashed conformist. Where did I ever use BBC and CNN as a source? I'm just talking about my country. And yeah, people do defect to North Korea; but just compare the numbers with vice versa. And research what type of people they are. One rule; the data that are recent instead of ones really old.

Originally posted by Scorpions
You still haven't explained the constant riots and the large Anti-US feelings in the South, try doing that. The DPRK, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Uruguay and Brazil are on the right path.

First of all, where the hell did you tell me to explain "the constant riots and the large Anti-US feelings in the South"?

Constant "riots" and Anti-US feelings? Obviously; who wouldn't? But that doesn't mean US isn't our allies. And those organized protests mean that we care about what's going around in our country and attempt to change it a bit. And how does those so called "riots" make countires like DPRK, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Uruguay and Brazil on the right path? Because they're too oppressed to ever say something?

And riot is too big of a term to use. It's called protesting, and its part of the check and balance of democracy, no matter if it works or not.



You still haven't researched anything about Hwang Jung Yup. Stop acting as you're the correspondent to North Korea, when you have no idea how it is or have been near it. That alone with the fact that you still haven't taken a look at the program guide I linked shows that you just care to ignore everything that you assume goes against you. Read others argument and address it CORRECTLY.

 

[Scorpions]

Originally posted by Elder
Do you actually belive the communist news sites you visit over that of CNN or the BBC? I am not a big fan of either of those news organizations, but I would always trust them over some commie propoganda bull**** that you read.


North Korea is NOT doing well. I don't know what fantasy land you live in. As for the anti american feelings in the south and protests... isn't it great to be able to do such things in a free society? You can't do that in North Korea. If they dislike us, at least they are allowed to say so. If they dislike their own government, they can vote them out. Your arguments are so stupid that I can't believe anyone wastes their time with you..


And how about that story of the Cubans defecting in Vegas this week? Your **** theories of how great it is in dictatorial countries falls flat again. Too bad we couldn't swap your sorry ass for them...

Originally posted by Hyun

Yes I'm such a brainwashed conformist. Where did I ever use BBC and CNN as a source? I'm just talking about my country. And yeah, people do defect to North Korea; but just compare the numbers with vice versa. And research what type of people they are. One rule; the data that are recent instead of ones really old.

First of all, where the hell did you tell me to explain "the constant riots and the large Anti-US feelings in the South"?

Constant "riots" and Anti-US feelings? Obviously; who wouldn't? But that doesn't mean US isn't our allies. And those organized protests mean that we care about what's going around in our country and attempt to change it a bit. And how does those so called "riots" make countires like DPRK, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Uruguay and Brazil on the right path? Because they're too oppressed to ever say something?

And riot is too big of a term to use. It's called protesting, and its part of the check and balance of democracy, no matter if it works or not.



You still haven't researched anything about Hwang Jung Yup. Stop acting as you're the correspondent to North Korea, when you have no idea how it is or have been near it. That alone with the fact that you still haven't taken a look at the program guide I linked shows that you just care to ignore everything that you assume goes against you. Read others argument and address it CORRECTLY.

I listen to BBC, I take that, KCNA and other news sources and take a bit from each and corresponding info to find what is the most likely true story. I also take accounts from people who visit there.

Oh and Cuba actually kicked them out, read that Cuba said they were never to come back, they then took refuge in the USA. Cuba is doing quite well and is a good nation that helps other nations and other people.

Venezuela is definitely not oppressed, the poor were just recently given their own land and things are going quite well, same with Zimbabwe and soon to be with Uruguay. Have you even looked into these nations? You seem to lack much knowledge of them, like the fact that each was elected in free and fair elections and then re-elected under those same conditions.

I am going to Pyongyang in 2007, I have talked to many who go there annually or twice a year and several South Koreans, all of their stories are quite the same. The DPRK is it's own independant nation, their presidents weren't chosen by the U.S or kept there by them or aided in a major way economically by a foreign power. Massive riots are not protests, they are beyond that and a sign of unhappiness. US Imperialism certainly will not win this war against the people.

 

[Elder]

Just for Moron...


N. Koreans detail deadly experiments on prisoners


By Jeremy Kirk
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


SEOUL — North Korean scientists are said to have conducted lethal gas experiments on political prisoners in the 1970s that were still happening as recently as 2002.
In 10 hours of interviews Monday, three North Koreans detailed chilling experiments in which prisoners were placed in glass chambers and exposed to chemicals that killed them within hours, said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights group based in Los Angeles.


Mr. Cooper said the accounts came from North Koreans now living in South Korea and who purportedly were involved in the experiments.
"The openness and the specificity of the description of these murders was quite remarkable," Mr. Cooper said. "On the other hand, the lack of any inkling of remorse on the part of the individuals decades later — this kind of action I found to be quite shocking.
"The attitude of the scientists ... was these were political prisoners, they were as good as dead anyway, and therefore, utilizing them for experiments held really no moral implications whatsoever."
Mr. Cooper said the interviews were arranged by other human rights activists in Seoul, not by the South Korean government.
None of the three North Koreans were present at the press conference, and few other details were released about them.
In a meeting later with South Korean Foreign Ministry officials, Mr. Cooper said, "there was absolutely no attempt to deny these kinds of activities on the part of the South Korean official I met. He did say it was unfortunate."
Mr. Cooper detailed an account from a 31-year-old North Korean chemist who said he was involved in one of two parallel groups involved in experiments.
The chemist's group experimented on animals, and recorded data on a chart.
The defector told Mr. Cooper that if the experiments were successful, "we then turned over the results to our colleagues, and they were experimenting on human guinea pigs."
Two of the North Koreans Mr. Cooper spoke with were sources for two presentations by the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) earlier this year.
Those programs featured interviews with North Koreans who said chemical experiments were conducted on humans, as well as documents that were said to have been smuggled from inside the country.
Pyongyang denied the reports.
The experiments are on a different scale and for different reasons than those of the Nazis, Mr. Cooper said. But the reports underscore the importance of incorporating human rights issues into discussions with North Korea, he said.
South Korea has avoided direct confrontation with North Korea on human rights issues. The North Korean Human Rights Act, signed into law in October by President Bush, was criticized by several members of the ruling Uri Party, who saw the measure as antagonistic and a threat to reconciliation between the Koreas at a time when economic cooperation is increasing.

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041124-121316-5086r.htm