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Punk music
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Less Than Jake wasn't part of that scene I was talking about. They were already big by that point. There is another band you may have heard of called "The Vacant Andy's." A certain guy from that band went on to become Dashboard Confessional.
The Florida scene is and was very interconnected in many ways. But I think it has changed over the past few years. There are still a lot of bands, and many of them are getting some notice nowadays.
OK, so here goes my take on the whole Punk mythology. Starting with the big Q:
What is Punk? The attitude? The music itself? The hardcore beat?
It sure has to be the attitude, ladies. Musical critics were right all along, although I was unable to look at this truth myself when I was growing up: Musically, the Punk genre is stalled in time, in a limbo, a labytinth in which every door leads to the same room; a room with more than 20 years.
Every band
- The Sex Pistols and The Ramones for obvious reasons.
- The Clash, for bringing straightforward politics into their lyrics and incorporating the Jamaican flavour into their sound.
- Bad Religion, with their trademark hardcore anthems and vocals.
- Op. Ivy, for all the Straight Edge concept.
- Green Day, for their sound. And I mean that literally; their sound set them apart. It's hard to understand that nowadays, since every band out there followed it (same thing can be applied to the Beatles, btw) but in 1994 there was absolutely no band sounding like this trio. We were blown away. Also, you can't discard the fact they were the very first pop/punk band to breakthrough.
- I could also name NOFX, Rancid, some later bands and their attempts to create a punk/garage revival, The Violent Femmes and their unique Punk/Folk, but I won't. We would probably get to where we are now with just those 6 bands mentioned above.
The attitude
Sell-outs? Who is, indeed, selling out?
I respect NOFX for creating their wn label and saying no to MTV, stupid endorsements, etc. I think that's as much DYS/independent/punk attitude a professional band can get. Really, the only way you can stick to your beliefs and never compromise on them is to be amateur, i.e., not depending on rock life to pay your bills. Otherwise, even the most commited band out there will eventually break at one point or another. Anyone who has played in a band knows what I'm talking about; whether it's buying that leather Carlos*et which will appeal to the hardcore crowd, or carving a mohawk in your head just for the punk looks even though you're still to figure out what anarchy really means, or signing for that label bcs they'll pay you more, of doing photo-shoots, or blablabla.
Bottom line, if you're in a professional band your first concern is to make money to pay your bills.
Note: INFESTA has an amateur dub/ska band with a punk attitude.
What is Punk? The attitude? The music itself? The hardcore beat?
It sure has to be the attitude, ladies. Musical critics were right all along, although I was unable to look at this truth myself when I was growing up: Musically, the Punk genre is stalled in time, in a limbo, a labytinth in which every door leads to the same room; a room with more than 20 years.
Every band
- The Sex Pistols and The Ramones for obvious reasons.
- The Clash, for bringing straightforward politics into their lyrics and incorporating the Jamaican flavour into their sound.
- Bad Religion, with their trademark hardcore anthems and vocals.
- Op. Ivy, for all the Straight Edge concept.
- Green Day, for their sound. And I mean that literally; their sound set them apart. It's hard to understand that nowadays, since every band out there followed it (same thing can be applied to the Beatles, btw) but in 1994 there was absolutely no band sounding like this trio. We were blown away. Also, you can't discard the fact they were the very first pop/punk band to breakthrough.
- I could also name NOFX, Rancid, some later bands and their attempts to create a punk/garage revival, The Violent Femmes and their unique Punk/Folk, but I won't. We would probably get to where we are now with just those 6 bands mentioned above.
The attitude
Sell-outs? Who is, indeed, selling out?
I respect NOFX for creating their wn label and saying no to MTV, stupid endorsements, etc. I think that's as much DYS/independent/punk attitude a professional band can get. Really, the only way you can stick to your beliefs and never compromise on them is to be amateur, i.e., not depending on rock life to pay your bills. Otherwise, even the most commited band out there will eventually break at one point or another. Anyone who has played in a band knows what I'm talking about; whether it's buying that leather Carlos*et which will appeal to the hardcore crowd, or carving a mohawk in your head just for the punk looks even though you're still to figure out what anarchy really means, or signing for that label bcs they'll pay you more, of doing photo-shoots, or blablabla.
Bottom line, if you're in a professional band your first concern is to make money to pay your bills.
Note: INFESTA has an amateur dub/ska band with a punk attitude.
nice post Infesta, I agree with the Green Day thing, there are so many people now (especially those punk kiddos) that don't even realize how big and important GD was in 94 and how they opened the doors to other punk bands and influenced them.
You should have added Offspring to that list
in 94 when Smash was released it was a huge thing also. One of the best punk albums ever 
You should have added Offspring to that list
in 94 when Smash was released it was a huge thing also. One of the best punk albums ever I also agree on the Green Day thing. I can remember the day when I came to school with my friends, and a kid dyed his hair green after seeing a Green Day video. From that point forward he was known as "Green Day." We kind of laughed at him for awhile, but then he started skating with us and was pretty cool in the end. But Green Day brought "punk" to the mainstream. At least in the mid 90's.
I disagree, however, on your Straight Edge thing. I say that Minor Threat had more of an influence in that department. They are the all time classic sXe band, and if I am not mistaken, one of them plays with Bad religion now. The bands thta made sXe popular in the late 80's, early 90's were Judge, Earth Crisis, Strife etc...
Also don't forget about NY Hardcore. Agnostic Front had a big hand in creating a huge punk scene in New York City. I guess they took over CBGB's at one point.
The selling out part of your post is difficult because I have been in a situation like that before. I played in a band for 5 years, recorded some 7" records and ended up doing a CD as well. When we were on tour, there was one show we played in Scranton, PA where the whole crowd was Straight Edge, yet we were not a sXe band. So what did we do? We put on some Straight Edge shirts, put X's on our hands, and gave props to the "sXe scene in Scranton." We sold about 50 demo's, 15 shirts, and some stickers.. We needed money bad because the club owner dicked us on pay, so we did what we had to do.
Was that selling out? I don't think so. We were all sXe as a band, but just didn't represent it AS a band.
Anyway, I'm rambling.
PS. Never forget about Black Flag or The Misfits. They are very influencial as well.
Elder, you sell-out. 
But yeah, that was Minor Threat I should have written back there.
About selling out, our attitude has always been no compromising and chosing what we want. In the end, that's what makes you comfy with yourself. Here's a small story: one day we decided to get a manager. He got us a gig in this club, very trendy back then, and said a journalist friend of his would be there to write a story on us. This guy worked for the best national music mag (www.blitz.pt) out there and it could be a good break. So we played the gig and afterwards the manager comes up to me and says he had just reached the journalist on his cell-phone; the guy was late as hell and could only be there in 45 minutes time. He asked if we could wait and play a special set just for him. Our things were already being packed, almost everybody had left anyway, so I said: 'tell him to come back another day. On time, like anybody else'. And that's when our manager quit.
But yeah, that was Minor Threat I should have written back there.
About selling out, our attitude has always been no compromising and chosing what we want. In the end, that's what makes you comfy with yourself. Here's a small story: one day we decided to get a manager. He got us a gig in this club, very trendy back then, and said a journalist friend of his would be there to write a story on us. This guy worked for the best national music mag (www.blitz.pt) out there and it could be a good break. So we played the gig and afterwards the manager comes up to me and says he had just reached the journalist on his cell-phone; the guy was late as hell and could only be there in 45 minutes time. He asked if we could wait and play a special set just for him. Our things were already being packed, almost everybody had left anyway, so I said: 'tell him to come back another day. On time, like anybody else'. And that's when our manager quit.
Originally posted by INFESTA
Elder, you sell-out.
But yeah, that was Minor Threat I should have written back there.
About selling out, our attitude has always been no compromising and chosing what we want. In the end, that's what makes you comfy with yourself. Here's a small story: one day we decided to get a manager. He got us a gig in this club, very trendy back then, and said a journalist friend of his would be there to write a story on us. This guy worked for the best national music mag (www.blitz.pt) out there and it could be a good break. So we played the gig and afterwards the manager comes up to me and says he had just reached the journalist on his cell-phone; the guy was late as hell and could only be there in 45 minutes time. He asked if we could wait and play a special set just for him. Our things were already being packed, almost everybody had left anyway, so I said: 'tell him to come back another day. On time, like anybody else'. And that's when our manager quit.
hahah, we got a record deal because I picked up a guy when his car broke down during a music festival in Michigan. Either way, we needed gas to get to our next show, so you do things you have to do.
You should have played the set!
It was Minor Threat the first ones who even used the term 'straight edge', plus, Op Ivy never had a firm anti-drug stance, it's rumored that they did drugs themselves.
I agree with the rest of your post though, Punk is f_cking dead. The 90s were horrible, apart from some very minor acts, and the 2000s don't look any brighter.
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Anyone heard Greendays new song American Idiot?
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I've only heard bits and pieces of it on the Radio. It sounds like a cliche Green Day song.
In other news I listened to Dookie a few hours ago and it is still incredible to this day.
Oh, and I heard a rumor that NOFX stands for "No ******* Straight Edge", but I don't really believe it. Although I hear they were assholes in their early days, so it might be possible.
Nice resurrection here; hey! I saw NOFX for the first time at this years Warped Tour, I need to see them play a full show thay're just incredible. The court jesters of Punk Rock, but also the Kings.
In other news I listened to Dookie a few hours ago and it is still incredible to this day.
Oh, and I heard a rumor that NOFX stands for "No ******* Straight Edge", but I don't really believe it. Although I hear they were assholes in their early days, so it might be possible.
Nice resurrection here; hey! I saw NOFX for the first time at this years Warped Tour, I need to see them play a full show thay're just incredible. The court jesters of Punk Rock, but also the Kings.
I haven't heard GD's new song and plan not to, for the sake of old times. There's nothing worse than a and that doesn't know when to quit.
NOFX is my all time fav punk act, both musically and in terms of idependence from major labels. After years of watching them live on tv and bootlegs, I finally caught them in persona last year and it was a total disappointment. They are older and it shows.
NOFX is my all time fav punk act, both musically and in terms of idependence from major labels. After years of watching them live on tv and bootlegs, I finally caught them in persona last year and it was a total disappointment. They are older and it shows.