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Question of the Week: New Stars
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ShiftyPowers;3799152 said:
Netherlands had so many young talents in 1990s ... that whole Ajax generation
Regarding France, quantity wise maybe true but you can't compare the quality ... Henry (21), Trezeguet (21), Vieira (22) all were part of 1998 squad ... Pogba is 22 ... Vieira peaked in the same age 22-23 ... apart from those young players France had more top stars
Regarding Fili argument ... I believe you had much better team in that Figo era from keeper to striker ... that 1996 generation which was the result of Carlos Queiroz youth work ...
I give two local examples ... Australia had many top stars back in 1990s ... Kewel, Bosnich, Viduka, Vidmar ... 35 years old Cahil and Bresciano still carry our team.
Iran had many players in Europe including Daei, Mahdavikia, Azizi, bagheri, and later Karimi ... teammeli didn't prodcue any new star for almost 15 years ...
There are some good examples like Germany but something is wrong ... maybe players earn so much so early or clubs are less patient and more results oriented ... United sold home grown kid Welbeck to buy Falcao which was really not neccessary.
Regarding Portugal, 66 was better than 96. By your rationale 96 "didn't produce talent". The Portugal team that was knocked out in 1996 by the Czechs(which by the way had a nice team but not even close to the one in 2004), had Secretário, Dimas, Hélder, Oceano and Sá Pinto. I reckon for most other countries you could do the same exercise. All pretty shit. You're also citing a "golden genaration", which is supposedly almost a once in a lifetime kind of thing. Again I think your vision is a bit clouded by Messi and Ronaldo having no one at their level, whereas before things were more evened out at the top. You also mostly remember those past players from great games or compilation which make them look better than they were, and currently you watch more games and whole games and are older and perceive their flaws better.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Yeah, you're falling back on player reputation built later in their career and saying "see they made a great squad therefore they were good!"
Like for example with France, I notice that you didn't mention Anelka along with Henry and Trezuguet, but why is that? Back in 2000 the best young striker that France had was Nick Anelka, not those other two guys. He didn't develop into a superstar, but you can see why him being the better player at 18-20 casts doubt on your assertion that Henry developed into a world beater at a supremely young age. He didn't.
Now let's look at the current France team. Pogba, Varane, Zouma, Kondogbia, Lacazette, Digne, Laporte, Rabiot, Griezmann. These are all extremely promising young players who you can extrapolate as potentially becoming just as good as the stars of the 1998 World Cup team. Will they fulfill that potential? Probably not, but if they do we'll look back and say "wow, that was a great generation of high achieving French players who became great at a young age" because hindsight will cloud your opinion.
Belgium is another great example and shows that other nations are stepping up and providing the world with the same amount of talented youth players that were traditionally produced by only a few nations. Finally, let's use Germany as an example to hammer home the point. Here were the best U-28 players on the 2002 German World Cup Team that finished runner up to Brazil. All of these guys would have been developed in Germany in the mid-late 90s and represented the best Germany had to offer from that generation:
Ballack, Ramelow, Hamann, Jancker, Ricken, Klose, Kehl, Schneider, Metzelder, Frings.
Compare with U-28s in the current German setup
Boateng, Hummels, Howedes, Badstuber, Ozil, Muller, Kroos, Khedira, Schurrle, Reus, Gotze, Gundogan, Kramer, ter Stegen, Bender, Bender, Draxler, Meyer, Arnold, Volland.
Notice a difference? Comparing the 2002 and 2014 Spain teams in such a way would be even more embarrassing.
Like for example with France, I notice that you didn't mention Anelka along with Henry and Trezuguet, but why is that? Back in 2000 the best young striker that France had was Nick Anelka, not those other two guys. He didn't develop into a superstar, but you can see why him being the better player at 18-20 casts doubt on your assertion that Henry developed into a world beater at a supremely young age. He didn't.
Now let's look at the current France team. Pogba, Varane, Zouma, Kondogbia, Lacazette, Digne, Laporte, Rabiot, Griezmann. These are all extremely promising young players who you can extrapolate as potentially becoming just as good as the stars of the 1998 World Cup team. Will they fulfill that potential? Probably not, but if they do we'll look back and say "wow, that was a great generation of high achieving French players who became great at a young age" because hindsight will cloud your opinion.
Belgium is another great example and shows that other nations are stepping up and providing the world with the same amount of talented youth players that were traditionally produced by only a few nations. Finally, let's use Germany as an example to hammer home the point. Here were the best U-28 players on the 2002 German World Cup Team that finished runner up to Brazil. All of these guys would have been developed in Germany in the mid-late 90s and represented the best Germany had to offer from that generation:
Ballack, Ramelow, Hamann, Jancker, Ricken, Klose, Kehl, Schneider, Metzelder, Frings.
Compare with U-28s in the current German setup
Boateng, Hummels, Howedes, Badstuber, Ozil, Muller, Kroos, Khedira, Schurrle, Reus, Gotze, Gundogan, Kramer, ter Stegen, Bender, Bender, Draxler, Meyer, Arnold, Volland.
Notice a difference? Comparing the 2002 and 2014 Spain teams in such a way would be even more embarrassing.
Sir Didier Drogba
Head Official
I agree, no way should he be on that list, he's got far more potential than any of the othersnady;3799056 said:
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Pele and Cruyff.
Sir Didier Drogba
Head Official
nady;3799281 said:
Unless he does something stupid (like come to Chelsea too soon and spend 2 out of three games on the bench) he will
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
nady;3799447 said:
No, that has nothing to do with it. I'm completely serious, this has nothing to do with it. It's just something that jealous people say because they resent the lifestyle athletes are able to live.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
kp41;3799475 said:
I am not wrong. There are not fewer young stars now than 10 years or 50 years ago, in fact there are more as more nations start producing top players and more clubs emerge as European powers. Some players flame out, some players rise to the occasion, but that's just statistics. Footballers have been rich for decades, and been famous in a way they could take advantage of for decades before that.