sexuality: serious thread

[Deutschland]

It's the same as me finding a type of food I find disgusting to eat then hating everyone who eats it.

No it isn't. There are many, MANY types of food, and there are 2 genders. You eat food, which is necessary for living. Unless you are referring to the act of eating semen, where it could be considered normal to hate, or at least regard suspiciously, someone who eats semen. "Cum guzzling" is another term coined for the act

 

[hermolt]

Way to twist an analogy.

It's the same as me finding a type of music I find disgusting, and then hating everyone who listens to it.

As far as eating semen, why is it normal to hate people who do that? Not a fan of blow jobs?

 

[Glorious]

lol, i knew a subject like this would start a flurry of thoughts and perspectives.

 

[Deutschland]

Not when they're performed by guys, on guys?

 

[hermolt]

Affecting you, is it?

 

[FF7]

I still don't understand how can a person like dicks and pussies at the same time. IMO being bi is a mental disorder, a person who wants to be gay, but is afraid of other people making jokes, so they also date women "sometimes" just to think that he's not gay.
It's really simple... If you like dicks you're gay. There's no bullsh.it like bisexuallity

Ohh and BTW I'm not against people that are gay or bi, but I think that bisexuallity is an evidence of having problems

 

[INFESTA]

Unless you are referring to the act of eating semen, where it could be considered normal to hate, or at least regard suspiciously, someone who eats semen.

Hey son, are you aware women have lips & tongue too? And are you sure your mom never ate sperm before?

 

[Deutschland]

This whole topic is about gays... obviously I was talking about 2 guys doing it...

 

[Run DMB]

I don't hate gays. I would never discriminate against a person because of his/her sexuality. However, I think homosexuality is wrong and disgusting. It's kind of in the same way that I feel listening to A Simple Plan is wrong and disgusting. But I wouldn't discriminate against people who like A Simple Plan, even if they have a sh*tty taste in music.

My supervisor at my new job is gay. Seems like a pretty nice guy. I guess I know what I have to do to get a promotion.

 

[Vagegast]

That's nasty, Shifty.

 

[sportgaming]

I still don't understand how can a person like dicks and pussies at the same time. IMO being bi is a mental disorder, a person who wants to be gay, but is afraid of other people making jokes, so they also date women "sometimes" just to think that he's not gay.
It's really simple... If you like dicks you're gay. There's no bullsh.it like bisexuallity

Ohh and BTW I'm not against people that are gay or bi, but I think that bisexuallity is an evidence of having problems

of course bi-sexuality exists,

otherwise i had been living the complete opposite life to what I was supposed to be living for 21 years.

I used to think in exactly the same way, but when i was 1st admitting to being attracted to guys, I was in the position of "but this isn;t right, I can;t be gay as i am not meant to find that hot girl over there attractive"


I find it difficult to understand how anyone is not bi. In fact I would even go as far to say that most people are bi by the true definition of bi-sexuality.


Unless you can hnestly say that you have never thought about any guy in anything like that sort of way, then you are bi.

however most people have a much stronger attraction either 1 way or the other, or decide to suppress 1 side of theit feelings, hence referring to themselves as either gay or straight

I have an equal attraction in either direction, and I am not supressing my feelings for anyone, i have done that for 21 years of my life, and there is no way i am going back

 

[sportgaming]

I still stand by what I said that the difference in treatment is because gays/bis make too much of an issue over their sexuality.

where have i ever made my sexuality an osse, i have answered questions that people have asked, but i have not referred to anything specifically to make my sexuality an issue,

only defending my lifestyle when it has came under threat

a ot of the comments i ahve made are not referring to my sexualty but general beliefs or myths about gay life

But by making the thread that is what you did and therefore you surely should have to accept that you may have to face negative comments for doing so.

i have never stopped anyone from posting any opinions
but you can't come intpo such a thread and repetedly make personal attacks.

sure say what you think about the idea of being gay etc, but don;t attack me personally, the one person to artack me personally is no longerable to contribute to the thred

a thread on a forum is meant to be an area of discussion, and dare i say argument about points, it is not meant to be somewhere where people get personally slagged off.

I'm also quite happy to discuss my heterosexuality but I'm not going to, which is basically the point I was making, you either consider yourself different in which case you take the things that come with being different or you consider yourself normal in which case you shut up.

the thread was never meant to be about my sexuality, the only reason that comment was in the opening post, was to say the position I am in, and hence why i know that discrimination is present in football

this is what i was wanting to discuss, not my sexuality, there are plenty of other places i can do that, i do not need to discuss it, i am completly happy with my life, what i am not happy with is the discrimination i face when trying to play football, which starts when people find out that I am not straight.

as an example, i was playing for a local sunday league side, and had been playing for them for just over 1 season.

1 week my boyfriend came along to watch the match, and the manager saw us huggin after the game, he confronted me, and i told the truth. Remainder of the season i wasn't even on the subs bench. So in the time of 1 week, I had gone from regular 1st team full back, to not even being able to get 2 minutes in a match:- that os the topic of this thread, how can anyone justify such treatment

 

[Will]

You're still completely missing the point I'm trying to make

 

[sportgaming]

the point that I am trying to make is that I have not made this thread to discuss my sexuality


why should I keep quiet about being mis-treated just because i am not the same as most people on the site?

I was trying to find out whether other people felt the same as obviously the team manager did, and if that was the case, then I would not make the same decisions about coming clean about the person I am again

I am proid to be who I am, but I love my football, and if it means telling a white lie to some prat who can't understand that people may be different, in order to be able to play then I will have to do that


I did not make this thread about me,

other people did


it was manutd4eva who made the thread personal, everything I said prior top that point was talking in general, about the acceptance of differing sexualities in the world of football


what exactly is the problem with someone starting a thread like that, something tells me that if it was started by anyone else, then they would not be accused of the things you are accusing me of

 

[sportgaming]

The problem with gays is that they don't seem to be sure whether they want to be normal or different and slightly special. This thread is a prime example of this. There was no need for Steven to tell us he was gay, none of us cared. Once people started insulting him because of his sexuality, he came back at them with the fact he couldn't help it because gays are born gay and it's not a choice they make and therefore they are perfectly normal. If that is the case, why did he make the thread in the first place? I don't feel the need to make a thread declaring that I'm heterosexual and, as I was also born that way, it is surely just as normal as Steven being homosexual?
Another recent example that comes to mind is the gay pride march that took place in London on Saturday. What is the need for an event like that if gays are happy that they are normal? There would never be a heterosexual march.

It is things like this, when gays set themselves out from straight people, that trouble starts and there is, in my opinion, no need for this to happen. If gays really don't want the bother of people insulting them then maybe they should all start acting more normal otherwise I feel they deserve all the insults they get. People might not like that, but I doubt many could deny that there isn't at least some truth in what I've said.

ok just re-read your post incase i missed something


personally I agree completly about the whole gay pride thing, and you will never find me at such an event, in the same way as you will never find me going out to a gay club / pub. My normal night out is a karaoke night around my local pub.

There are 2 types of non straight guys, those who are just like everyone else, such as myself and my boyfriend, now we should be treated no differentl to everyone else in the world, I do not make a big song and dance about being different to everyone else, and unless you could hear what we were actually saying, then seeing my boyfriend and myself in the street we would just appear to be good mates.

then there is the outspoken, gay "scene queens" who go around wearing their pink shirts, gay pride logos etc. I agree they are attracting attention to themselves and have to expect to be seen as being different.

I do not wish to associate with those in the 2nd group, in my opinion they give all gay guys a bad name, and that s definitely not how i wish to run my life, I want my life to be just the same as anyone else's, but with the fact that I am spending my life with another guy rather than with a girl, is there really a reason for people to excluse me from teams??


having said this I still stand by the fact that I didn;t make the thread to declare my bi-sexuality to anyone, for the precise reasons that you mentioned, and the only reason that I did even mention it was as a proof that I know that th discrimnation is present within the worls of football


hopefull this has mde my view on things a little clearer, and I apologise if it came across with different intentionn, I really should read the full post, before jumping straight to the quote button


in terms of not wanting to stand out in a crowd, then we definitely have the same beliefs, however the thread would not have got the discussion as passionatly debated if there was no-one representing the "other side":- i was also hoping that there would be more people who decided to provide this view on things awell, at least via PM, but it looks asthouh Imay in-deed be the only non straight guy around SG:- which is seriously surprising

 

[FF7]

Well not everyone is gay or "bi" (as you claim to be)...
I recently saw in the news that it was scientifically proved that bisexuality doesn't exist... If you have sex with men and women that doesn't make you a bi, that's a mental problem, if you have a boyfriend you're gay.

 

[Callum]

I find it difficult to understand how anyone is not bi. In fact I would even go as far to say that most people are bi by the true definition of bi-sexuality.

you find it difficult to understand that straight guys dont like sucking dick.....well you really do have problems dont you.

 

[sportgaming]

i never said that

you don;t have to do anything to be classed as bi

i was talking about in the 100% accurate definition of the word, unless you can 100% definitely say that you have absolutely no attraction to any male at all, and never would do, then by the true defintion you are bi (this definition is that you have a sexual attraction to both males and females:- there is no specification of how strong these feelings are)

this is not the definition that is commonly used, and I am not saying that most people are bi by the common defintion, in fact it is something like 1% of people are bi


FF7 - it ha alsy been proven by different researchers that bi-sexuality is once again linked to genes, and is not a mental disorder as you put it.
By your definition then just because I am with a guy, who i love deeply, that all my sexual attraction to females, no matter how attractive they are, should dissapear, that is a load of rubbish. I still find the same girls attractive as i did when i considered myself to be straight, just now I am not denying finding some guys attractive too. If anyone has got a mental disorder it is those people who suppress part of their personality just to fit in with "being normal", now i'm sorry, but i've had enough of behaving how everyone expects me to behave. and I am oing what comes naturally to me, whatever other people think, but i definitely know that I don;t have a mental disorder.

 

[sportgaming]

you find it difficult to understand that straight guys dont like sucking dick.....well you really do have problems dont you.

well can you understand how certain people do like it

i would imagine the answer is no to that, so in that case you have problems aswell


no1 can be expected to understand how other people live their lives, but people can be expected to respect those lives and let people do as they see fit.

the fact of not being able to understand is exactly the point i was trying to make, i don;t expect anyone to understad my life, i expect them to understand the problems I face with regards to discrimnation in football, and stop discriminating against me

 

[sportgaming]

I don't understand why anyone would have any ill feeling towards gays/bis in general. I mean personally I would find being gay disgusting, hence me being straight, but why the hell would that mean I hated gays? I do find campness pretty annoying, and I wouldn't befriend a stereotypical gay that you see on TV, but that's because they act like idiots. but I had an English teacher who was gay and acted like a normal guy, and a history teacher who was married with kids, but was the most gay guy you could ever meet (maybe he was in denial, or maybe you can be camp and not gay).

now this is precisely the attitude that more people need to take

as i have said before i too cannot contemplate what it would be like to be gay or straight, as that is not me, i simply can;t understand why people would not be attracted to both guys and girls, but obviously that is the case, and I have no problem at all with people who are not attracted to either sex (what a mess i wold be in if i was any different)


I too hate campness and believe that the stereotypical gay image is what causes the hatred which does exist

and yes you can be straight and still be camp