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Stop The Racism... Fu*ker!

pefan

Reserve Team
Jon said:
I hate racists, and I know alot of you on here have racist belifs aswell. Racism, IMO, is caused or brought onto a person by a couple of things. The people who are racist have usually been influenced by friends and/or family, and could also have been pressured into do it, to me thats not an excuse. Racism is wrong, if you cant cope with people of different race, creed, religion or beliefs as you then you dont deserve to live in this world. Go emmigrate to Mars, start your own race. :rolleyes:

LMAO...Good point!
 

pefan

Reserve Team
Se7eN said:
An ivorian player from Dinamo started crying after an away game because the fans were throwing bananas at him, poor fella :nape:. Dinamo's supporters tried consolating him by taking photos togheter but I think he felt even worse :(

Which Dinamo???? Romanian one??? The Romanians in England are good people. Or is that because London is very cosmopolitan so they are used to seeing different people.
 

pefan

Reserve Team
-William- said:
Have you guys read Di Canio's opinion on this? He said something like: this issue is being exagerated by the media, when I played in England I recieved all kinds of insults and no one said anything.

This guy is more stupid that I thought, what a ******* idiot

Di Canio is a life long Right wing Lazio supporter! He made a so called Roman Salute In the Rome Derby. Will you take him seriously. James Richardson Italian football presenter in England was asking him and he kept saying Roman Salute. But the presenter urged him not to do it again.

Di Canio also goes he may be right wing but he still believes that immigrants should be allowed in Italy as long as they respect Italian values. But he still believes in a strong and traditional Italia :boohoo:

Hello How many immigrants and ethnic minorities does Italia have compared to England????
Do you see the British public bitc*ing and complaining. Not really!!! Although theres still the BNP and National front who have been pushed into obsecurity because Racism carries a jail term over here.

Most of the ignorance exists in the places like Wales, Liverpool etc where people still have right wing views! What can you do???? Racist mentality will never die.
And i disagree that humans are born racists because a little child will play with a child that is black or white and not ask questions until the parent says "i hate these people" then its a different ball game! Well i dont know about you but i never saw the difference when i was young. :jambo: maybe i'm eccentric!
 

theo

VII
pefan said:
Which Dinamo???? Romanian one??? The Romanians in England are good people. Or is that because London is very cosmopolitan so they are used to seeing different people.
Yeah, Dinamo Bucharest.
 

Goo Goo boy

Senior Squad
Di Canio is a nazi, what did you expect...
About everyone being born racist, and being naturally adverse to different people, that's bs to me...I've never had any prejudice aggainst different people, diversity is the best thing in the earth, it's beautiful how every single one has it's own identity, face, body, colour, personality. That's the beauty of humanity. Everyone's a person, yet no one is the same person.

And those who try to hurt another just because they're different should be sent to somewhere where they couldn't piss off tolerant people's nerves.
 

WilliamFAlmeida

Starting XI
hate the sin love the sinner- I say...but anyways..

I say deduct points. Even if you were to go to your rival's crowd to throw racist chants, the opposing fans would kick your @$$ because it could cost them points.

I saw subtract 3 points.
it is taken WAY too lightly, but it is also done by only 10% of the fans. The 10% that sit in the front. thats just my opinion, but its not fact I dont think.
 

Seán D

fm prodigy
deducting points would only be a good idea if the ground security don't deal with reports from other fans pointing out the offenders.
 

syaz_wan03

Senior Squad
Racism: UEFA threaten to exclude clubs
BRUSSELS: UEFA are threatening to exclude clubs guilty of sustained racism from their competitions.

UEFA vice president Per Ravn Omdal met on Wednesday with members of the European Parliament, supporting their proposal to toughen action against racism.

“We are prepared to implement the necessary sanctions, from fines and closure of stadium, to this and that, and even to not allow teams to participate at all,” Omdal said.

Assessing a series of incidents over recent weeks, Omdal said referees had to be much more aware of taunts and not hesitate to interrupt or abandon matches.

“Those who did not wake up, you have to wake up – because the referee can do a lot in a specific game,” he said. “Either to stop it, to listen, to report and eventually to abandon the game if that kind of abuse is taking place.”

British Conservative Chris Heaton-Harris said referees need strong backing from soccer authorities to abandon a match which could have financial consequences for either club, federation or broadcaster.

“In the upper echelons of the game, the financial pressures often annul any threat of cancelling a match. If this is to happen, any referee would need full and explicit support from the game’s governing bodies,” Heaton-Harris said.

UEFA hope half the European parliamentarians will sign the declaration and make it an official EU resolution.

“There is a lot of pain in the beautiful game,'' said British socialist parliamentarian Claude Moraes.

Soccer in Italy and Spain is particularly affected by racism. On Sunday, Messina’s Ivory Coast defender Marc Zoro was reduced to tears by Inter Milan fans and threatened to walk off the field.

In response, Tuesday’s Italian Cup match at AC Milan started five minutes late so a “No To Racism” banner could be unfurled on the field. The Italian soccer federation’s message will be displayed at all Italian Cup and Serie A matches this week. – AP

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for me, it's really a good idea! :rockman:
this can teach the stupid fans to respect the teams that they support, the opponent teams & the players.

Although it seems quite harsh, but sometimes we have to be harsh to stop this matter from becoming worst soon.
 

ForzaNerrazurri

Senior Squad
Take what you want from it, just felt like contributing

DIARRA: "IF THEY SAY BLACK, I SAY WHITE"
Thursday, 01 December 2005 13:41:03

MILAN - Inter Primavera's Ivorian midfielder Abdoulaie Diarra offered his opinions on racism this morning during a convention at a Milanese school. Diarra, who has been in Italy with his family since the age of 14, said: "I live with my team-mates in a small villa in Milan. We're all together - me, Andreolli, Boumsong. We laugh, we tell each other stories, for us racism doesn't exist because we quite simply don't know it. I don't know why God made me with black skin and you with white skin, but I don't feel any difference and I wouldn't even want them to suspend matches for racist chants. I would prefer to continue and play because those people have no importance for me. Whoever links Inter to racism has understood nothing."
 

Voltaic Borusse

Fan Favourite
Clubs need to be sanctioned for their fans' wrongdoing. If they see a section of the fans acting out, either boot them out of the stadium or face the consequences. It's that simple.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
pefan said:
And i disagree that humans are born racists because a little child will play with a child that is black or white and not ask questions until the parent says "i hate these people" then its a different ball game! Well i dont know about you but i never saw the difference when i was young. :jambo: maybe i'm eccentric!

No you're not eccentric, you're just a person who didn't grow up in a society that either explicitly or implicitly supports racism; a uniform society where everyone is the same and where people defend their prejudices against those who are different with garbage like "everyone is part racist" and "when we see a black commit a crime in a white society, of COURSE we assume all blacks do that". With attitudes like that I'm suprised we still don't have slavery. "Look how well the negros work, it's like they're born to work in our fields as slaves!"

I hate you nird and those who have expressed similar opinions and agreement with him. You are ignorance at its absolute peak when it comes to race issues. Pefan, keep fighting the good fight, I'm behind every word you say.

Looks like UEFA is starting to come around to my way of thinking. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with punishing a club because of the actions of a few fans and thereby punishing the majority of fans who do not support what they say. You know what, the club has all the power in the world to stop the racists and that power is magnified incredibly if most fans actually are good and tolerant. The clubs turn a blind eye and for that they are to blame. Disband/ban Inter, Lazio, and any other club with fans like that. You think it's a harsh punishment? It's a damn good deterrant I say. The clubs and fans won't tolerate this trash anymore and it will stop.

And I don't think the Nike stand up/speak out campaign is a waste at all, I have a band and I wear it proudly when I go out. Not only does the money help fight these racist ****heads, but it also shows my support for the cause. I don't have to talk to people about the issue, they see the band and they know what it means. If they don't know, I'm happy to tell them and explain to them what cause I'm supporting and trying to help bring into the limelight.
 

panxoman

Senior Squad
How are you going to punish a team because some of their fans shout something that ofends player? That's impossible and not fair

and where do you put the border between what deserves a punishment and what is ok? If someone shout something to a black player it ¡deserves punishment, but if it it's against a gay player? and against the ref? or against the comunity where that team is from? It impossible.

It think Diarra words are very wise. If someone shout at him for being black, they are idiots: Being black is not problem, being idiot it's... terrific.
 

panxoman

Senior Squad
pefan said:
Hello How many immigrants and ethnic minorities does Italia have compared to England????
Do you see the British public bitc*ing and complaining. Not really!!! Although theres still the BNP and National front who have been pushed into obsecurity because Racism carries a jail term over here.

!
You can't compare those 2 countries.

How, why and how fast the inmigration has arrived is different in both cases.
 

pefan

Reserve Team
panxoman said:
How are you going to punish a team because some of their fans shout something that ofends player? That's impossible and not fair

and where do you put the border between what deserves a punishment and what is ok? If someone shout something to a black player it ¡deserves punishment, but if it it's against a gay player? and against the ref? or against the comunity where that team is from? It impossible.

It think Diarra words are very wise. If someone shout at him for being black, they are idiots: Being black is not problem, being idiot it's... terrific.

A referee ended a match in Holland because of anti semitism chants!!! So it not only black people here. Its others as well. Aaron Winter remember him was also a victim too many times. ITs ridiculous...Why not punish the club!!! Its up to the club to urge there fans against bigotry behaviour.

After that Spain match i saw a poster in the Barcelona vs Real Madrid match saying Catalonai is not spain. As soon as the match starts Roberto Carlos is targeted by Barcelona fans!!! I found that ridiculous!!! I've read up on the issues regarding Spain and their football fans. VEry interesting indeed. I would give the link but i never found the site again. It goes through every single incident and fans group there is. The Ultra surs, the atletico fans, u name it. They organise beatings and even killings. IT was shocking stuff. BUt it made me understand what was the deal in Spain with racism.
 

pede54

Team Captain
We all know that ignorance is a basis for racism.A well educated person can still be ignorant.Le Penn may be educated but he is still ignorant.Tolerance is not just something you should learn through academics.i.e.school,college,university.You might have a masters degree but you might still be racist.The important part of a persons education begins when that person is a child.The biggest influences on that small child are his/her parents.If you have parents who are racist then by the time you are of school age you have already been indoctrinated with the false logic and hate that is racism.An ignorant statement here and there from your parents, as you grow up,("they take all the jobs"....."they take all the houses"...."they smell"......"they are not as good as us"),will sink into a young mind and pervert his/her way of thinking.Then as that person gets older,they choose friends with the same views.Very rarely,if ever,will you find a racist and an anti racist as firm friends.For the anti racist the issue is just too big to simply ignore.Both sides believe that they are right in what they think BUT,it is the racist who is wrong.There are no concrete grounds for believing in racism.All the old negative cliches that are quoted by racists today have been quoted by racists for years and years,and any normal person knows that there is not a basis in truth for any of those cliches.To be honest,its difficult to decide what this problem we have actually is.Yes its racism,but this racism is only aimed at people with a different skin colour.Does a white Australian in your country get abused as he walks down the street?Or a white Englishman,white American or white African?What if the person is a black Australian,Englishman,American or African?So this racism is not directed at all non nationals at all.It is directed at only the people with a DIFFERENT COLOUR SKIN.Therefore these stupidly ignorant racists must believe that as long as you are white,you are not a threat to them or their way of life.In fact,you are probably just like them,but if you are a non-white, then in their warped minds that makes you different somehow.There is no logic or reason that makes any sense that supports racist thinking at all.It is a mindset for people who are unable and incapable of thinking deeply enough to see how unreasonable their beliefs are,fuelled by other people,of their own choosing,that they surround themselves with.
I grew up in central London a long time ago amid what was even then a multicultural society.In Camden,where i was born,were English,Irish,Greek,Indian,Pakistani,West Indian,Turkish,Portuguese,chinese and many other races,who shared the same housing estates,the same schools and hung out on the same streets.It was not always rosy and peaceful by any means.There were gangs of course.The gang i was in was made up of all races.We were all working class kids of a like mind,whatever our race.There were also gangs who's members were of a single race.These guys thought differently to us.They didn't believe in mixing with other races.I couldn't understand why that was at the time.I understand a little better now though.
Personally i was lucky.I had parents who,although poor and not over educated,were at least civilised and intelligent.My 3 brothers,my sister and I were raised to be tolerant of others and that under the skin ALL people were equal.Many kids were not as fortunate as i was.I remember sitting in friends houses and hearing their parents exchanging racist views and opinions,telling their 8 year old son,"I dont want you hanging around with any niggers." No reasoning or explanation for the kid.Just statements like that.How many parents still carry on like that today?.......Too f.u.c.k.ing many is the answer.
So what can we do about it?Well its stupid to say that we can't do anything about it.Of course it all depends how much you hate racism.Anyone who says that there is nothing to be done obviously does not suffer the taunts and insults themselves,so their opinion on the matter tells you one thing."It does not affect me so why should i care."
Obviously one person like me cannot do much to erradicate racism worldwide,but i can do all that i can to change things in my immediate surroundings.At a football match,if i hear anything as distasteful as racism,i do not ignore it or simply shake my head in disgust.I will report the person involved and make sure he is ejected from the game and hopefully arrested,which will happen in England as it is a criminal offence.All countries must make racism a criminal offence.It must be made clear to the population that racism of any kind will be dealt with by the courts and the guilty are punished.If racism is tolerated by a society,a government,then the racists in that society are just being encouraged, to carry on thinking that the ignorant hate that they feel is acceptable.
So if a racist will not be reasoned with,then the next step is to force the racist to toe the line.Society must "educate " its people.Then its people can begin to educate its children.Some diehard racists will persist,so then these people must be severly dealt with.
It always amazes me that even within Europe,after a well publicised display of racist behaviour,that a particular Government needs to be publicly admonished by other countries before ,as a nation,an apology is issued.Even then a particular Government STILL will not condemn the incident or apologise.I was shocked by the Spanish Governments inability to accept that the racist behaviour by some of their citizens at an international football match,was indeed serious enough to warrant ,first an apology and second a statement along the lines of how much this behaviour shamed the country in the eyes of the World.What sort of message did that send out to the scum who caused the upset?Eventually a statement was made but it had to be dragged out of them.Sorry to all the decent Spanish for using that as an example,as i am sure that even you were embarrased by your Governments inability to see what was wrong.If your Government did not embarrass you on that occasion then you still need to think long and hard about things.
When England played Turkey in a Euro 2004 Qualifier,some ignorant English ****s decided to sing racist songs towards the Turks.The British Government wholeheartedly condemned that behaviour as "not acceptable in a decent civilised society,and will not be tolerated".The words of Tony Blair on the night.NOT the next week or a month later but on the news that night.
So, educated government equals educated society,which equals educated parents which equals educated children.
For those who persist with this uncivilised ignorant crap...tough laws to deter and tough punishment for those who offend.
 

panxoman

Senior Squad
pefan said:
A referee ended a match in Holland because of anti semitism chants!!! So it not only black people here. Its others as well. Aaron Winter remember him was also a victim too many times. ITs ridiculous...Why not punish the club!!! Its up to the club to urge there fans against bigotry behaviour.

After that Spain match i saw a poster in the Barcelona vs Real Madrid match saying Catalonai is not spain. As soon as the match starts Roberto Carlos is targeted by Barcelona fans!!! I found that ridiculous!!! I've read up on the issues regarding Spain and their football fans. VEry interesting indeed. I would give the link but i never found the site again. It goes through every single incident and fans group there is. The Ultra surs, the atletico fans, u name it. They organise beatings and even killings. IT was shocking stuff. BUt it made me understand what was the deal in Spain with racism.

when Roberto Carlos is Booed in the Nou Camp is not because of racism. when Etoo is booed in El Bernabeu is not raciosm. it's just a someting to incomodate the player. Is it stupid? well, yes, but that's not racism.

When a player hears that the crowd is calling him gay? what is it? homophobia? and what about the ref who always receive every kind of bad words?

we're mixing things. Racism is not a problem for football stars as they are rich. Racism is a problem for poor people.

Sport must be a way to show people that the color of the skin is not important, but the way to do it is not by punishing the clubs for their supporters chants (physical violence is different). Who would decide which chants are offensive?


and by the way,I don't know what is the realtion of the poster with all this?
 

pede54

Team Captain
Are you fu.c.k.ing serious man?......a rich man cannot be the victim of racism?....You are in serious need of help.

Carlos and Eto are black right?...so if you call them names that relate to their skin colour that is RACISM.
If you insult a player with homophobic insults,and the player is gay....then that is homophobia.If he is not gay them it means nothing.The point is that Carlos and Eto are BLACK so the insults thrown at them are RACIST insults.
Surely that is simple for even you to understand.What a moron.Maybe an end product of the society you live in :kader:.....education.....education.....education

as for the ref....it dont matter what colour his skin is.....if he is a wanker.....then he IS a wanker
 

Dreath

Senior Squad
panxoman said:
when Roberto Carlos is Booed in the Nou Camp is not because of racism. when Etoo is booed in El Bernabeu is not raciosm. it's just a someting to incomodate the player. Is it stupid? well, yes, but that's not racism.

Yes it was, Same with Ashley Cole and Wright-Phillips.

monkey chants and booing a black player whilst al lthe white players aren't booed.. is RACISM! It's segregating a person and insulting him because he is black.
 

Dream Team

Starting XI
If you punish the club by deducting points, you're letting the idiots interfere in the game.

pefan said:
After that Spain match i saw a poster in the Barcelona vs Real Madrid match saying Catalonai is not spain.
So? that's a political banner and it has NOTHING to do with racism.

I've read up on the issues regarding Spain and their football fans. VEry interesting indeed. I would give the link but i never found the site again. It goes through every single incident and fans group there is. The Ultra surs, the atletico fans, u name it. They organise beatings and even killings. IT was shocking stuff. BUt it made me understand what was the deal in Spain with racism.
The ultra groups are that, groups, reduced groups. There is this kind of people in every single country. You've read an article, oh. You know nothing.

Laporta cleaned the Camp Nou all he could, something that other clubs have not done. Fear, maybe. What I can't understand is that players support them. In the case of Real Madrid, players like Raul, Figo when he was there, Roberto Carlos or Helguera have showed their support to the Ultra Sur. That's unacceptable.
 

pede54

Team Captain
well its good to hear that Laporta is doing all he can,thats to be admired really.Do the police arrest anyone in the ground who still persist with racist abuse?Do they enter the crowd and get these people?Do other fans tolerate these racists or do the rest of the fans point them out to the police?I would be interested to know what really happens at a game for instance.
As for Madrid players showing support for the Ultras,that is bad but i would imagine that is the result of a society tolerating that kind of behaviour.If you tolerate it then you encourage it.Maybe all Ultras should be banned because they all seem to me to be of a like mind.Maybe i am wrong so inform me.
 


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