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The Cricket Discussion

ytwoaone

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Stumps at end of Day 3

Australia 492 & 111-2
England 325 (but basically will start 2nd innings 0-1)

Australia lead by 278 runs.

Looks pretty dire for England

Australia will probably declare at tea on the 4th day, leaving England to negociate 4 sessions on a fast deteriotating wicket.

Why did Nasser elect to bowl first

:kader: :f***:
 

Dhruv

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so much cricket going round the world

india vs west indies ---> west indies win 2nd match by 7 wickets
eng vs aus -----> 1 more 100 matt !
pak vs zimb test match
S.A. vs sri lanka

looks like all potential winners are playing
 

Jono82

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All over!!!

Australia DESTROY England by

(I hope I can fit this on one line!)... 384 runs! :D

Hayden - 2 centuries in the match

England skittled for 79! :rockman:

Final scores

Australia - 492 and 5d for 296
def England - 325 and 79

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And someone said England had a chance! :rolleyes:
 

hermolt

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And England's pace attack decimated - Gough goes home, Jones out for 6 months.

Our batting lineup certainly has chinks in it, but I don't see any weaknesses in our bowling..
 

ytwoaone

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Originally posted by rahulmvora
No. their bowling department is weak . aussies have a great batting line up . i think the bowling department of england in front of aussies is nothing . caddick-hoggard-flintoff-giles Vs mcgrath-Gillespe-warne-bichel-B.lee ....... both sides have a great batting line up though. but aussies have a another advantage and that is playing at home . so i think aussies will win .


both sides have a great batting line up, BOLLOX, our line up is $hit.

Openers - Hayden and Langer for Aus, Vaughan and Trescothick for England.

Trescothick and Vaughan probably just slightly better than Langer, but both have only been around for only a few years, Langer has more experience. However Hayden better than both Trescothick and Vaughan put together, and Hayden and Langer have a great understanding tha Trescothick and Vaughan, who have only really been the established opening pair for the last 8 months.

Middle Order - Ponting, Waugh, Lehmann, Martyn and Gilchrist for Aus, Butcher, Hussain, Crawley, Stewart and Flintoff (White when Flintoff is out injured).

Only Flintoff would make Aus starting XI, and that coz Aus don't have all rounder who can bat and bowl,but then again with aus on current form would they really need him? Crawley isn't up to Test cricket, but he's better than other batsmen, Hussain and Stewart are has-beens and Butcher is ok, but nothing when compared to australia middle order batsmen.

Bowlers - Lee, Gillespie, McGrath and of course Warne for Aus, Caddick, Hoggard, Giles and ??????????, plus Flintoff for England.

an absolute joke, we are down to the bare bones, and this is our future bowling attack plus Jones. Aus could even afford to replace Lee for Bichel, but their 3rd team bowlers would make the England side.


Wicketkeepers - Gilchrist for Aus, Stewart for England. Stewart is too old, and Gilchrist is the best wicketkeeper in the world, and thats not even taking into account his batting prowess.

Fielding. England can't even catch a cold
:kader: Australia also have the best fielders.

The fundalmental problem. the way we train players, it isn't professional. We tend to for instance with a batsman concentrate on his strongest part of his game, i.e. his ability to deal with spin, but he struggles with pace. That weakness isn't pick up upon until he is an established player, and then the training is too late and totally inadequate.

The greatest real lief example of this is the bowlers. Australia's bowlers if required will offer batting resistance. Our bowlers will just simply crumble, even if a dustbin was bowling!
 

zul-aid

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Originally posted by ytwoaone
Australia also have the best fielders.


Australia really dont have the best fielder, I believe the Africans are the best fielders... South Africa and Zimbabwe both have made many positions their own names like Rhodes, Gibbs, Flower, Whittal, Campbell, Odumbe, Oteino, Odoyo, Klusener, and the late Cronje were extremely good feilders while Australia had both Waughs and Ponting and Gilchrist - now they are down to about three world class fielders - little to no runs appear majority is catches which when you compare the Africans with the Australians training can easerly be accomplished - I believe if you rated countrys on all three formats (both One Day and Test) Batting, Bowling and Fielding it would look like this:

Batting
1)Australia
2)India
3)South Africa
4)Pakistan
5)West Indies
6)Sri Lanka
7)England
8)New Zealand
9)Zimbabwe
10)Bangladesh
11)Kenya
12)Holland
13)Canada
14)Namibia

Bowling
1)South Africa
2)Australia
3)Pakistan
4)Sri Lanka
5)India
6)New Zealand
7)England
8)West Indies
9)Zimbabwe
10)Kenya
11)Bangladesh
12)Holland
13)Canada
14)Namibia

Fielding
1)South Africa
2)Zimbabwe
3)Australia
4)West Indies
5)Sri Lanka
6)India
7)Pakistan
8)England
9)New Zealand
10)Namibia
11)Kenya
12)Holland
13)Canada
14)Bangladesh
 

Dhruv

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wow ! matty hayden is in the form of his life , 197 followed by 103...

england were bound to lose when they were set a target of 464 .. no surprises about that.
 

Dhruv

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sri lankans might be able to draw atleast a test against SA but england i am sad to say can only dream about it...

i mean if they score 325 in 1st innings and still lose the match , thats pretty pathetic
 

rahulmvora

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Sri lanka put up a pathetic batting display against South Africa and were bowled out for 130 . this is an innings defeat for them . A.Hall & M.Ntini took 3 wickets each in the 2nd innings .
 

Alex

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Originally posted by ytwoaone


Wicketkeepers - Gilchrist for Aus, Stewart for England. Stewart is too old, and Gilchrist is the best wicketkeeper in the world, and thats not even taking into account his batting prowess.

nah not taking into account batting, than id say Wade Seccombe, or Darren Berry are the Worlds best Keepers...Both are australian mind you :p


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Alex

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Originally posted by zul-aid
Australia really dont have the best fielder, I believe the Africans are the best fielders... South Africa and Zimbabwe both have made many positions their own names like Rhodes, Gibbs, Flower, Whittal, Campbell, Odumbe, Oteino, Odoyo, Klusener, and the late Cronje were extremely good feilders while Australia had both Waughs and Ponting and Gilchrist - now they are down to about three world class fielders - little to no runs appear majority is catches which when you compare the Africans with the Australians training can easerly be accomplished - I believe if you rated countrys on all three formats (both One Day and Test) Batting, Bowling and Fielding it would look like this:

Batting
1)Australia
2)India
3)South Africa
4)Pakistan
5)West Indies
6)Sri Lanka
7)England
8)New Zealand
9)Zimbabwe
10)Bangladesh
11)Kenya
12)Holland
13)Canada
14)Namibia

Bowling
1)South Africa
2)Australia
3)Pakistan
4)Sri Lanka
5)India
6)New Zealand
7)England
8)West Indies
9)Zimbabwe
10)Kenya
11)Bangladesh
12)Holland
13)Canada
14)Namibia

Fielding
1)South Africa
2)Zimbabwe
3)Australia
4)West Indies
5)Sri Lanka
6)India
7)Pakistan
8)England
9)New Zealand
10)Namibia
11)Kenya
12)Holland
13)Canada
14)Bangladesh

i disagree with you a bit (Mr "the first test will be drawn for sure").
Really i think that Australia are the best catchers in the world.
Also you say that South Africa are the best fielders in the world, and they are good, but every time they come to australia, we seem to out shine them in the field. The Waughs are great catchers, but then apart from them we have Ponting (who u also mentioned-and who i think is now the best fieldsmen in the world just ahead of Rhodes), Martyn (another really good and underrated groundsfielder-not just a catcher), Hayden and Langer who both are really good catchers, Brett Lee and Glenn McGrath who are two of the best outfielders in the world, and Shane Warne, who few rival at First Slip. Our weak link in fielding is undoubtubly Gillespie, but we are still a very strong fielding nation.
I also disagree with you ratings when you put South Africa as the best bowling nation!
McGrath is better than Pollock for a start, SA have no spinner to rival Warne, and Gillespie is as good as, or better than Ntini, when both are in form.
I think South Africa are up their with the best teams in the world, because of their allrounders. They have lots of fine batsmen who can bowl, or bowlers who can bat. Kallis, Pollock, and Klusener are all really good examples.

Thats all from me at the moment,

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ytwoaone

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South Africa are the best for allrounders, India is better than Australia for spinners (but u do have the best spinner in the world though, just that he ur only class spinner). But Australia are miles ahead of everyone else in all other departments, while England seriuosly lag behind just about everyone except Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in bowling, but we are one of the better batting sides, but still Australia, India, South Africa definetely ahead of us.
 

zul-aid

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Originally posted by sKIp_E
i disagree with you a bit (Mr "the first test will be drawn for sure").
Really i think that Australia are the best catchers in the world.
Also you say that South Africa are the best fielders in the world, and they are good, but every time they come to australia, we seem to out shine them in the field. The Waughs are great catchers, but then apart from them we have Ponting (who u also mentioned-and who i think is now the best fieldsmen in the world just ahead of Rhodes), Martyn (another really good and underrated groundsfielder-not just a catcher), Hayden and Langer who both are really good catchers, Brett Lee and Glenn McGrath who are two of the best outfielders in the world, and Shane Warne, who few rival at First Slip. Our weak link in fielding is undoubtubly Gillespie, but we are still a very strong fielding nation.
I also disagree with you ratings when you put South Africa as the best bowling nation!
McGrath is better than Pollock for a start, SA have no spinner to rival Warne, and Gillespie is as good as, or better than Ntini, when both are in form.
I think South Africa are up their with the best teams in the world, because of their allrounders. They have lots of fine batsmen who can bowl, or bowlers who can bat. Kallis, Pollock, and Klusener are all really good examples.

Thats all from me at the moment,

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sKIp_E

well i thought the test would be a draw (before the start of the series I predicted 5-0 with rain being the only opposition) i didnt take into account that England would lose all there batsman in 2 hours and forgot Jones injury (they could have held out alot longer than they did ofcourse its not had to stay out in the Gabba for 2 days which I thought england were capable of).

I still stand by both South Africa and Zimbabwe as the top fielders taking into account that they both dont have the training facilitaties Australia does, most if not all there players are professional

Paul Adams is a good spinner, not as good as he once was mind you but effective none the less. Klusner, Pollock Ntini, and Boje (who also bowls spin).

Australias attack is supreme but so is South Africas I do think though that SA are in a huge decline with Cullinan, Donald and Rhodes almost all out of the picture it will be a struggle to pass them
 

Alex

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Originally posted by zul-aid

I still stand by both South Africa and Zimbabwe as the top fielders taking into account that they both dont have the training facilitaties Australia does, most if not all there players are professional

Paul Adams is a good spinner, not as good as he once was mind you but effective none the less. Klusner, Pollock Ntini, and Boje (who also bowls spin).

Yes, but we're speaking of the BEST fielding team, not the best if u take into account their facilities, thats a completely different thing, and if we judged that way, than Australia would most likelyt be behind in batting and bowling too.

Again with ur South African bowlers, Adams is relyl inconsistent, Klusener isnt nearly as good as he used to be. He used to be a bowler woh could bat, since his back problems he's turned into a batsmen who can bowl. Ntini is good when he plays well, but lacks a bit of control, and Pollock of course is good, but not compared to McGrath.

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zul-aid

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well I say wait till February but again that will be biased as it will be on home turf - didnt CricInfo do something like this at the end of every year post team ratings similar to FIFA I know they do it on ICC but these are different

Maybe im a couple of years behind are the W'indies still Test Champs :crazyboy:
 

ytwoaone

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home turf - u refering to the ICC World Cup? No host nation has ever won the WC, and only once has the hosts even reached the final (England in 1979)

As to England catastropic defeat, it was down to the toss.

Had Australia won the toss and elected to bat they certainly wouldn't of reached 364-2.

But Nasser's decision to bowl first was a huge Own goal, especially a psycological one.

The wicket offered little for the bowlers, especially in a drought ridden Queensland, so Nasser should've elected to bat first. But when the bowlers went out there the first thought that would've entered their mind is "we shouldn't be out here, their (Australia's) bowlers should be here instead" U could see their attitude in their bowling performance, it was just so limp on day one. It was only when they are so far behind did the bowlers relax somewhat on day 2. Had Steve Waugh inserted England it wouldn't have been so bad, as the attitude would've been "OK we've lost the toss, Steve's made a logical decision so that's that", and perhaps it might have been 350 for 6. We probably wouldn't have won anyway but at least we might have lost in a more honourable way.
 

Alex

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Originally posted by ytwoaone
home turf - u refering to the ICC World Cup? No host nation has ever won the WC, and only once has the hosts even reached the final (England in 1979)

As to England catastropic defeat, it was down to the toss.

Had Australia won the toss and elected to bat they certainly wouldn't of reached 364-2.

But Nasser's decision to bowl first was a huge Own goal, especially a psycological one.

The wicket offered little for the bowlers, especially in a drought ridden Queensland, so Nasser should've elected to bat first. But when the bowlers went out there the first thought that would've entered their mind is "we shouldn't be out here, their (Australia's) bowlers should be here instead" U could see their attitude in their bowling performance, it was just so limp on day one. It was only when they are so far behind did the bowlers relax somewhat on day 2. Had Steve Waugh inserted England it wouldn't have been so bad, as the attitude would've been "OK we've lost the toss, Steve's made a logical decision so that's that", and perhaps it might have been 350 for 6. We probably wouldn't have won anyway but at least we might have lost in a more honourable way.

Sri Lanka were co-hosts when they won the WC in 1996 ;)

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Dhruv

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looks like ICC are planning to ban nagpur , jamshedpur and he 3rd venue (forgot name) from hosting any more one-days..

bad for indian cricket
 


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