The "Cristiano Ronaldo's future" saga thread.

[Help?]

Yes we were about marketing, especially under Florentino but so what? Football is abusiness, otherwise you'd be watching games at Old Trafford for free! I am baffled by how many people assume it's not or shouldnt be abusiness. Florentino was a Carlos*ass in many ways but he always did what he set out to do, not to mention, clear our debt and put us ina position where today, we can sign players w/o worrying about funds, etc. Alot of people forget what Florentino has done.

So, spoonfeeding Ronaldo is a great reson to stay at Utd? Silly. He wants a change and wants to go, in his eyes, and many peoples eyes, the biggest club in the world. He's expressed it many times. So what? As for not having respect, I don't get it. We haven't done anything wrong. Your problem is between you and the little prick Ronaldo, period! Sort it out! And yes,m you still are behind liverpool, sorry. Technically speaking, you are.

Ok, you love Real Madrid and in your opinion it is the biggest club in the world. We got it man, i must have read that at least 5 times in this thread. The reason why a move to Madrid would be bad for Ronaldo is because CURRENTLY (discard past history because its influence is marginal when it comes for a team to develop players) Madrid has a lot of internal problems. They can't seem to find the right coach and for a number of years the team was run by big name players. The owner barely thinks about football matters and the fans are not the most patient ones in the world either. Add that to the fact that United's squad is stronger, with a better manager and barely any distractions from one job the players were meant to do, which is play football, a lot of people can see why it would be bad for Ronaldo to move to Madrid.

Now before you feel like going on a rampage on me, understand this. I'm not saying that Madrid have a bad squad, have a bad manager or all they care about is money. But right now that is not evident too well, maybe after the way last season ended this will get much better for them, because it did look promising, however the judges are still out and only time will tell. A lot of truly world class players went to Madrid and never been the same since. And i do admit that there were a number of world class players that went there and improved too. Maybe Ronaldo will be one of those, who knows but based on the facts we are given to work with, Madrid is not a better choice for a player to develop himself at. It would be though a superb choice for already developed and very experienced world class player that can take of himself well and doesn't need too much guidance.

PS. Ronaldo is a prick like you said and he has been very disrespectful to United fans, but don't discard the blame from Calderon either. He has been using the "It's your last chance tactic on Ronaldo for at least 3 month now". Saying there is no chance Ronaldo will come and United won't sell to turning back and saying that a deal is on the cards and he thinks that Ronaldo will join Real, every week.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

Ok, you love Real Madrid and in your opinion it is the biggest club in the world. We got it man, i must have read that at least 5 times in this thread. The reason why a move to Madrid would be bad for Ronaldo is because CURRENTLY (discard past history because its influence is marginal when it comes for a team to develop players) Madrid has a lot of internal problems. They can't seem to find the right coach and for a number of years the team was run by big name players. The owner barely thinks about football matters and the fans are not the most patient ones in the world either. Add that to the fact that United's squad is stronger, with a better manager and barely any distractions from one job the players were meant to do, which is play football, a lot of people can see why it would be bad for Ronaldo to move to Madrid.

Now before you feel like going on a rampage on me, understand this. I'm not saying that Madrid have a bad squad, have a bad manager or all they care about is money. But right now that is not evident too well, maybe after the way last season ended this will get much better for them, because it did look promising, however the judges are still out and only time will tell. A lot of truly world class players went to Madrid and never been the same since. And i do admit that there were a number of world class players that went there and improved too. Maybe Ronaldo will be one of those, who knows but based on the facts we are given to work with, Madrid is not a better choice for a player to develop himself at. It would be though a superb choice for already developed and very experienced world class player that can take of himself well and doesn't need too much guidance.

PS. Ronaldo is a prick like you said and he has been very disrespectful to United fans, but don't discard the blame from Calderon either. He has been using the "It's your last chance tactic on Ronaldo for at least 3 month now". Saying there is no chance Ronaldo will come and United won't sell to turning back and saying that a deal is on the cards and he thinks that Ronaldo will join Real, every week.

Well, to begin with, I think Schuster is avery good coach who isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Not only tactically but also how he handles his players and the media. He proved this witht he whole Robinho partying in Brasil, blablabla thing months back. And has managed to make some very good moves and keep the majority content. We won 2 ligas in a row! The last one being with a new manager, lots of new players. I think it says alot about our project. Not only that but the team is avery young team and as a squad, we are nowhere near our full potential, trust me.

As far as Ronaldo is concerned, I don't like the guy. He is perhaps the best player in the world, but I do not like his character and don't think we need someone like that especially when our squad is solid mentally.

Also, I may be wrong, but perhaps Ronaldo is past that kid phase where he needs to be tucked in bed by SAF and Queiroz? People have moved to foreigh lands in search of any type of job they can land. People move at 18 years of age to lands where they dont speak the language and have to start from scratch. That's struggle. I hardly think Ronaldo moving to another club is a mistake! Hardly! He'll sort things out. Furthermore, everyone overlooks the non football aspect of moving to Spain. The quality of life, food, weather (for the most part), and similarity in culture play a big role too.

 

[Payaah]

Madrid fans from previous page dont seem to reliase that I wasnt talking about how leaving United is a mistake, I was talking about how going to Madrid is a mistake due to reasons Help? stated. What happened to Madrid interest in Kaka's when he was world's best player last year?

 

[Help?]

Well, to begin with, I think Schuster is avery good coach who isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Not only tactically but also how he handles his players and the media. He proved this witht he whole Robinho partying in Brasil, blablabla thing months back. And has managed to make some very good moves and keep the majority content. We won 2 ligas in a row! The last one being with a new manager, lots of new players. I think it says alot about our project. Not only that but the team is avery young team and as a squad, we are nowhere near our full potential, trust me.

As far as Ronaldo is concerned, I don't like the guy. He is perhaps the best player in the world, but I do not like his character and don't think we need someone like that especially when our squad is solid mentally.

Yes and that's what i was saying. For the past 5-10 years Madrid had a lot of problems, but recently it has shown some strong promise to getting back to the top. We can't say yet that it sorted all of its problems that were around, but so far there hasn't been a lot of sign of them either during the past year. If the team keep it up for a few years than they have a great chance of becoming the one team to dread playing again.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

Yes and that's what i was saying. For the past 5-10 years Madrid had a lot of problems, but recently it has shown some strong promise to getting back to the top. We can't say yet that it sorted all of its problems that were around, but so far there hasn't been a lot of sign of them either during the past year. If the team keep it up for a few years than they have a great chance of becoming the one team to dread playing again.

Mate, football like life has an ebb and flow, ying and yang, day and night. Every great team, including United has their poor runs. As aamatter of fact, your history shows more frequent poorer runs than ours, for the record. We go years without winning and then years with us dominating. So what if we had a few bad years. It happens. Our project shows promise. Who knows, maybe you guys will decline in a year or 2, You wouldn't bet your life on winning doubles every year right? And I'm sorry to say this, but the allure of playing for Madrid is humongous and if I had to bet my life Id say that we would have the edge as far as being an ultimate goal for kids growing up and also for other players already established. Remember, kids in many countries, especially Spain , Portugal dream of playin for Real.

 

[Zakov]

Mate, football like life has an ebb and flow, ying and yang, day and night. Every great team, including United has their poor runs. As aamatter of fact, your history shows more frequent poorer runs than ours, for the record. We go years without winning and then years with us dominating. So what if we had a few bad years. It happens. Our project shows promise. Who knows, maybe you guys will decline in a year or 2, You wouldn't bet your life on winning doubles every year right? And I'm sorry to say this, but the allure of playing for Madrid is humongous and if I had to bet my life Id say that we would have the edge as far as being an ultimate goal for kids growing up and also for other players already established. Remember, kids in many countries, especially Spain , Portugal dream of playin for Real.

Is it just me or has this thread turned from Crisitina's future thread into a Madrid vs Utd thread? Or is it because both clubs believe their clubs are better suited to CR7??

 

[J10]

Man Utd, Barca, Chelsea, Madrid = Tap up scum
Arsenal = Holy

**** that...

 

[newbie original]

Is it just me or has this thread turned from Crisitina's future thread into a Madrid vs Utd thread? Or is it because both clubs believe their clubs are better suited to CR7??

No, it's not just you. I hope that this saga goes on for the rest of the summer be

 

[Zakov]

lol, to be honest I'm kind of fed up with this, its like we're all playing Cristina's game here, the reason why he's not giving any statements regarding whether he's leaving or not is because he's a f**ing attention-seeker.

 

[KingPaulV]

Frankly my argument wasnt about wether we or United are better suited for Ronaldo's style. My argument was and has been that it is almost arrogant for some including Ferguson to treat the matter as if United rule everybody else sucks....Orgullo made my point on that last post really. So United are on top of the cookie jar now, Barca were two years ago, now look at Barca, fresh of from a house cleaning, who is to say that wont happen again, Madrid two years ago another imperial house cleaning...etc, it comes and goes, fans and directors should be grateful for the good years and brace for the bad ones cause they will come...it is what it is....As far as Ronaldo I am fed up and tired and I think his relentless pursuit by our president and his inability to put out a solid statement about his future has derailed what could have been a good bit of acquisitions for our offseason, on top, they have upset one of our better players in Robihno....just utter garbage...

 

[MikeyM]

My mate and I were discussing this on the way back from the Solskjaer testimonial last night (NOW there is a TRUE United Legend)

Also having re watched the review of the season, I have picked up several worrying signs of Cristiano becoming increasingly arrogant and egotistical through his body language and behaviour with team mates.

The recent month's behaviour suggests that Cristiano is not coping with celebrity and I fear that he may even be on a downward spiral, driven there by an army of agents and "yes men" who follow him and blow smoke up his ass.

Ronaldo has recently finished with his girlfriend because he could not stand the fact other men found her attractive and had in the past, slept with her. Then he went on a nightclub binge in LA and has recently been doing the celebrity scene when he should be rehabbing his injury.

Then of course there is the way that he has handled this whole Real Madrid thing, I believe his agent and PR people have convinced him that he is above everyone and doesn't have to follow the rules - and this is what concerns me.

While Cristiano is a phenomenally talented young man, I suspect he is also naive about "the real world" of being a public idol to millions and the fact he owes it to them to be honest about his intentions. I went to Old Trafford yesterday and saw all those thousands of little kids with their "Ronaldo 7" shirts on and a firm conviction that their hero will be back - I wonder if Cristiano would imagine how those children will feel on Tuesday when their Dads lean down to them and say "Ronaldo doesn't love Man Utd any more and he wants to play for someone else" - "But Daddy, Ronaldo said he was staying" they'll say eyes glistening with tears. "I know" the parent will say softly, "But he cares more about money and he lied"

That, right there is the responsibility Ronaldo doesn't understand. That's what happens when you make a commitment and change your mind.

Also I feel Sir Alex, hamstrung by his comments (we'll let him rot) - has tolerated this too much and allowed this situation to escalate. Ronaldo therefore has been allowed to spiral out of control, making these disgusting "slave" claims and disrespecting his loyal fans (who stood by him in 2006 when he was public enemy no1)

Also the fact Ronaldo is away injured has not helped, nor have the very public statements coming from the Bernabeau. On Tuesday we will hopefully know where we stand, and whether Ronaldo understands the meaning of loyalty. If he didn't he needed only to have looked at the Legend we celebrated yesterday.

One other thing. Yesterday The Stretford End sang songs about Cantona, Rooney, Anderson and the entire squad (even if they weren't there)

All that is, except one........

In all the songs sung yesterday - there was no "Viva Ronaldo"

The masses have spoken, by saying nothing.

 

[Hepoas]

I loved the tifo with "Ronaldo who? Ole a true legend" or something.

Where is the club passion? Ronaldo will never be respected in England again.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

What a difference between Ronaldo and Ole! One a throwback to the hardworking, unselfish in it for the love of the game, work for the team guy and then there's the "i'm too big for this, Im a superstar whiny b!tch that is Ronaldo! Like night and day! Ole is a great example for kids dreaming of being a pro player, not Ronaldo!

 

[Bobby]

**** that...

Sir William of Gallas is considered a prophet in some religions.

 

[Zakov]

So I believe his sulk against Birmingham was the sign of judgment day?

 

[MikeyM]

Looks like Slave is not returning to United today - very mature Cristiano. The Sun reckons Fergie will try and convince him to stay for one season with a promise of a £65M move to Madrid next year.

I say b*llocks to that, sell the disingenuous little c*nt now and get more money too.

 

[KingPaulV]

yup he has decided not to return, why doesnt he act like a man and just end it, one way or the other...

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

Looks like Slave is not returning to United today - very mature Cristiano. The Sun reckons Fergie will try and convince him to stay for one season with a promise of a £65M move to Madrid next year.

I say b*llocks to that, sell the disingenuous little c*nt now and get more money too.

Man, whatever happened to the old SAF? That line "No one pl;ayer is bigger than Utd." is absolutely bollocks. Cristiano is bigger than Utd. and SAf and everyone else begging him to stay are proving this. I wont hear otherwise.

 

[cfdemarco]

Where are you guys getting this info? Can you post a link?

I am so sick of this whole thing...how many times does United have to say that he isn't for sale before everyone gets it?

If I were United, I would tell Cristiano that he's either playing at Old Trafford this season or sitting in the stands and rotting.

When it does come time to sell him, I would make it a point of refusing to sell him to Madrid, just for spite.

 

[KingPaulV]

Well, that is extremely mature and business-like isisnt it? come on now, this is as much business as it is sport for better or worse, i almost guarantee you he will not "rot in the stands" as people famously like to say, neither will United ban a move to Madrid in the future if it were the case.....The responsability lies squarely on two men IMO, #1 CR who has acted like a child, like a pure child, never giving straight answers avoiding to face what he should have faced a while ago, and pretending that his decisions do not affect the fortunes of two very wealthy, respected and honored clubs who also happen to have some of the most loyal and dedicated fan bases in world sports. and #2 SAF, he has decided, wether by moral conviction, anger, spite whatever you want to call it, to turn CR into an icon who has slowly become greater than the club, at least for a time. For a team that won the DOUBLE! the champions cup, CR has taken over that accomplishment with his antics, and SAF has allowed it to continue by saying silly things such as "he will rot" etc etc. Also by making up excuses for a player who should have reported to training almost a month ago, but who gets one special permission after another....horrible comedy that is being played out....i just wish either of them would end it...Obviously for SAF to keep repeating he's staying blah blah doesnt do much when he knows that unless those words come from Ronaldo's mouth nothing has been accomplished....

anyway...