The LIBERTADORES 2005 Official Thread

[soccer4evry1]

Originally posted by Lonestarr022
SO did they go back to the 8 groups of four? Last year they had 9 groups, and that was kinda strange

Im sure most ppl would disagree but do you think MLS Clubs should be playing in the Libertadores? I think they will at some point in the future, after all, Mexican clubs play in it, so why not US clubs if they ever begin to reach the level of talent as good as the other clubs playing in the competition?

Yeah, gladly the 8 groups of 4 formula is back. Last year's was really weird. But to hold the 36 teams there will be a qualifying, the Pre-Libertadores.

The MLS teams aren't in the Libertadores cuz they don't want to. They were invited twice I guess and they refused (at least that's what I heard).

EDIT: Yeah, it would be nice if Libertadores matches were aired in english language channels.

 

[ManU2000]

Originally posted by Lonestarr022
My thoughts on Copa Liberadores:


Arent they going to have some kind of playoff for the spots in Mexico?

They did that last year, i rememebr cause they showed the games on FSW


On another note, I wish FSW would show libertadores games
Fox Sports en Espanyol shows them, why no a Fox channel in English

SO did they go back to the 8 groups of four? Last year they had 9 groups, and that was kinda strange

Im sure most ppl would disagree but do you think MLS Clubs should be playing in the Libertadores? I think they will at some point in the future, after all, Mexican clubs play in it, so why not US clubs if they ever begin to reach the level of talent as good as the other clubs playing in the competition?

First off, yes, there will be a playoff between 8 Mexican clubs early in January called the Interliga to determine the two other clubs who will play in the Libertadores. Second, yes, the returned to the format of 8 groups of four (look at the first post ). And about MLS teams playing in the Libertadores, I really doubt it will ever happen and if it does happen, it will be very complicated due to travel times and so on.

 

[soccer4evry1]

Originally posted by ManU2000
And about MLS teams playing in the Libertadores, I really doubt it will ever happen and if it does happen, it will be very complicated due to travel times and so on.

I don't think so. For a team that goes from Uruguay to Mexico to play, it doesn't make much of a difference to go a little further.

 

[ManU2000]

But lets say that Boca or River have to play the Metrostars or the Revolution, traveling from Buenos Aires all the way to the Northeast is a pretty lengthy trip. I'm just saying that it would make traveling difficult, that's probably the only problem. They would find a way to deal with it though.

 

[soccer4evry1]

Anyways, it'd be really hard to get them a spot now. What country would agree to lose a spot? Besides, there's no way to increase the number of teams.

 

[Shiryu]

Originally posted by soccer4evry1
Anyways, it'd be really hard to get them a spot now. What country would agree to lose a spot? Besides, there's no way to increase the number of teams.

I believe some southamericans (almost all southamerican friends of mine) are already mad enough, at having just the mexican teams. I couldn't predict what would happen if MLS teams we're allowed....


Then, there's the competition issue. Are MLS teams ready to take on this type of championship yet? Mexican squads have alot of reserves(some from 2nd division teams), and even with that they actually borrow players from other teams when playing libertadores, so they can atleast manage to be competitive to the southamericans.

I'm no saying they're aren't good enough, just give them alittle time, let the MLS develope a little more.

 

[Shiryu]

Well , Pachuca will be Mexico 1, and will play its first game against Boca Juniors.


"El club mexicano Pachuca, que debutará en la Copa Libertadores de América 2005, tendrá un difícil inicio en el certamen al enfrentar al cuadro argentino Boca Juniors, de acuerdo al sorteo que realizó hoy la Confederación Sudamericana de Futbol (CSF)."

Link (Spanish)
http://mediotiempo.com/pi/noticia.php?id_noticia=3417

"ALGUNAS INNOVACIONES EN ESTA COPA LIBERTADORES

(a la letra)

Como ya se había estipulado con anterioridad, a partir de la próxima edición serán 38 los equipos participantes. Esto impone una etapa más en la disputa del torneo. De la misma tomarán parte 12 equipos en enfrentamientos directos divididos en seis llaves. Los ganadores avanzarán a la segunda fase. Ahí quedará conformado un cuadro de 32 participantes. Los seis clubes ganadores de esta primera fase podrán hacer dos cambios de jugadores en su lista de buena fe, de cara a la siguiente fase. Dicha lista deberá tener la certificación de sus Asociaciones Nacionales respectivas.

En el caso del arquero, éste podrá ser sustituido en cualquiera de las etapas, si se constatara una lesión de gravedad que impida su continuidad en el torneo. Al finalizar la Segunda Fase y hasta 24 horas antes de comenzar la Semifinal, se podrán sustituir en las listas hasta 3 jugadores.

GOLES COMO VISITANTE

Se resolvió que desde la edición 2005 habrá un nuevo proceso de definición en caso igualdad de puntos para la Segunda Fase (de grupos). Primero desnivelará la mejor diferencia de gol. Luego -si persiste la igualdad- se desempatará por mayor cantidad de goles a favor. En una tercera instancia clasificará el equipo con mayor número de goles como visitante. Si aún así continuarán igualados, se recurrirá a un sorteo.

CRUZAMIENTO DE EQUIPOS

Para los Octavos de Final se estableció un nuevo ordenamiento de las llaves de acuerdo a la ubicación deportiva de cada uno. Por ejemplo, el de mayor puntaje (1°) enfrentará al de menor (16°) y así sucesivamente.

La localía de estos partidos se fijará en base al rendimiento deportivo. De modo que los equipos 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 y 8 serán locales en segundo turno.

DEFINICIÓN DE PUESTOS

Desde octavos de Final hasta las semifinales, como así también la Primera Fase (la de 12 equipos) habrá nuevo sistema de definición. En caso de igualdad de puntos, los goles como visitante dirimirán el pase luego de la mejor diferencia de gol. Los penales serán la última instancia.

ALARGUE DE 30 MINUTOS EN LA FINAL

En caso de empate en puntos al cabo de los dos juegos finales se consagrará campeón el equipo con mejor saldo de goles. De mantenerse la igualdad se recurrirá a dos periodos de 15 minutos cada uno. Al término del mismo, si subsistiera la paridad, se definirá por tiros desde el punto del penal."

 

[soccer4evry1]

Good job mate.

I like the new formula.

 

[Chacarita Juniors]

so if Monterrey win the apertura (which it looks like)...Necaxa would take their sport....cool(thats my team)

 

[soccer4evry1]

Damn, the CBF will name the brazilian teams for the spots randomly (the qualifyed teams of course) . It's not fair, Brasil 1 should be the spot for the champions...

 

[peruytu]

Originally posted by soccer4evry1
Damn, the CBF will name the brazilian teams for the spots randomly (the qualifyed teams of course) . It's not fair, Brasil 1 should be the spot for the champions...

Unfortunately, money talks, $hit walks.
Brazilians should be used to this by now when it comes to their futbol. It's a shame, but thats the sad reality.

 

[Dante_1901]

Wow, and Brazil will send a team from the lower divisions, its name is Sao Andre ... i guess ... but well they deserve those 5 teams, because they are BRASIL, u know.

And about Pachuca, its cool because another mexican team would be harder than Pachuca

This new formula about previous matches before the Cup seems like a copy of the Champions League formula ...

 

[soccer4evry1]

The CBF indicated Santo André as Brasil 1... The champions will be Brasil 2, the runners-up Brasil 3 and so on.

Originally posted by peruytu
Unfortunately, money talks, $hit walks.

I heard they indicated the teams like that to avoid 2 big teams in the same group.

Originally posted by Dante_1901
Wow, and Brazil will send a team from the lower divisions, its name is Sao Andre ... i guess ... but well they deserve those 5 teams, because they are BRASIL, u know.

Yeah, it sucks to have a Série B team in the Libertadores, but well, they won the Copa do Brasil, they earned their spot.

 

[soccer4evry1]

Damn, I just realized that if Atlético Paranaense really wins the league we'll have to play at La Paz...

 

[Punkt]

Originally posted by soccer4evry1
The CBF indicated Santo André as Brasil 1... The champions will be Brasil 2, the runners-up Brasil 3 and so on.
.

by this logic the Copa do Brasil is most important than the League? always strange things in brazilian football

in europe the cup winner even get a CL spot. they play in uefa cup

 

[soccer4evry1]

Yeah. That's why I thought Brasil 1 would be the spot for the champions.

Maybe if there wasn't the possibility of 2 big teams in the same group they'd do things right.

 

[soccer4evry1]

QUALIFYING ROUND

(A) Mineros de Guayana (VEN) vs. América (COL)
( Chivas Guadalajara (MEX) vs. Cienciano (PER)
( C ) Quilmes (ARG) vs. Colo Colo (CHI)
(D) Tacuary (PAR) vs. Palmeiras (BRA)
(E) Junior (COL) vs. Oriente Petrolero (BOL)
(F) LDU (ECU) vs. Peñarol (URU)

GROUP STAGE

GRUPO 1

Atlético Paranaense (BRA)
Independiente Medellín (COL)
Libertad (PAR)
Ganador A

GRUPO 2

Santos (BRA)
Bolívar (BOL)
Danubio (URU)
Ganador F

GRUPO 3

São Paulo (BRA)
The Strongest (BOL)
Universidad de Chile (CHI)
Ganador C

GRUPO 4

Santo André (BRA)
Deportivo Táchira (VEN)
Cerro Porteño (PAR)
Ganador D

GRUPO 5

River Plate (ARG)
Olmedo (ECU)
Nacional (URU)
Ganador E

GRUPO 6

Banfield (ARG)
Caracas (VEN)
Alianza Lima (PER)
Tigres (MEX)

GRUPO 7

San Lorenzo (ARG)
Once Caldas (COL)
Cobreloa (CHI)
Ganador B

GRUPO 8

Boca Juniors (ARG)
Deportivo Cuenca (ECU)
Sporting Cristal (PER)
Pachuca (MEX)

 

[Lennon]

ALARGUE DE 30 MINUTOS EN LA FINAL

En caso de empate en puntos al cabo de los dos juegos finales se consagrará campeón el equipo con mejor saldo de goles. De mantenerse la igualdad se recurrirá a dos periodos de 15 minutos cada uno. Al término del mismo, si subsistiera la paridad, se definirá por tiros desde el punto del penal."

I don't like this new rule, Id rather have the old penalty system.

 

[LOCOlombia]

yea I agree penalties are better, but that's CONMEBOL trying to be UEFA

 

[romero]

Originally posted by soccer4evry1


QUALIFYING ROUND

Chivas Guadalajara (MEX) vs. Cienciano (PER)

I am really looking forward to this match. I heard Chivas wanted to pay Cienciano to not play their home game in Cuzco but in Los Angelas.