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The Official Liverpool FC - Champions of Europe [2004/2005] Thread
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well.. i'm really pissed now.. the whole point of replacing houllier is to get rid of the defend the one goal lead situation.. but it seems like they still play that kind of sh!t now... the whole team just switch off in the 2nd half.. which allow spurs to take the game to us... 
and yes kader.. i still can't figure out the cisse subtitution.. and yes... baros is a strange situation here.. he always seem to play good when he play for czech but he was like totally invisible today throughout the match... why can't he do what he does for czech for us???
and yes kader.. i still can't figure out the cisse subtitution.. and yes... baros is a strange situation here.. he always seem to play good when he play for czech but he was like totally invisible today throughout the match... why can't he do what he does for czech for us???Gerrard 17
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He was pressured from behind, and fell back making the other guy fall as well. The Spur pushed him off... Flopo walked up to him like he was gonna kick his ass, and told the ****er off 
Then argued with the ref. In revenge, 2 minutes later he jumped into a player karate style 
and got a yellow card.
Then argued with the ref. In revenge, 2 minutes later he jumped into a player karate style and got a yellow card. mufc_daddy
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Originally posted by Amika
well.. i'm really pissed now.. the whole point of replacing houllier is to get rid of the defend the one goal lead situation.. but it seems like they still play that kind of sh!t now... the whole team just switch off in the 2nd half.. which allow spurs to take the game to us...
I agree. Was interesting to see both strikers get subbed.
I really hope Pool stop this Houllier/Sven tactic approach. When you play you should aim to win and keep on winning rather than defending your lead.
It cost England against Portugal and it cost Pool today.
Hopefully Sven changes that before Germany 06 World Cup and hopefully Pool wont be as boring as they were with Houllier.
I meant that in a nice way.
The Kop Kid
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Yeah the result was dissapointing, as was the second half. I do think that you are over-reacting slightly though. It is the first game of the season and Benitez is going to take a little time to adjust to the english game. The tactical changes were typical of a La Liga mentality (lets play for a draw away from home lads) and I'm sure Rafa will soon figure out that that's not going to fly in the English game.
The second half performance was especially dissapointing as the team did go to sleep as has been mentioned. However, that is something that the team has been doing for a long time, so snapping out of that behaviour is going to take a little time. If we are still doing it in December I'll be getting pissed off though.
Another thing which should perhaps be mentioned is that we were a little lop-sided. Finnan is a decent player IMO, but not really the guy to offer attacking options down the right. The new signings should rectify that.
In short, yes very dissapointing, but the first game of the season is very rarely a good indicator as to the teams league position come the end of the season.
The second half performance was especially dissapointing as the team did go to sleep as has been mentioned. However, that is something that the team has been doing for a long time, so snapping out of that behaviour is going to take a little time. If we are still doing it in December I'll be getting pissed off though.
Another thing which should perhaps be mentioned is that we were a little lop-sided. Finnan is a decent player IMO, but not really the guy to offer attacking options down the right. The new signings should rectify that.
In short, yes very dissapointing, but the first game of the season is very rarely a good indicator as to the teams league position come the end of the season.
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Tottenham 1-1 Liverpool: FT Report
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Jermain Defoe underlined his growing claims for a prominent role in England's future as he ensured new Tottenham coach Jacques Santini some early-season breathing space at White Hart Lane with a second-half equaliser in a 1-1 draw against Liverpool.
Santini's new-look Tottenham side, featuring five new signings and one 17-year-old on his senior debut, were largely outplayed by Liverpool in their Premiership opener.
Indeed, little more than an hour had passed after Michael Owen was unveiled in Madrid, wearing Real's number 11 shirt, than his effective replacement, Djibril Cisse, struck against Spurs in north London.
However, despite Liverpool dominating large swathes of the game, led by the indefatigable Steven Gerrard, who was denied an early penalty, Defoe made them pay with 20 minutes left.
Amid suspicions of handball, the emerging young striker burst onto a flick-on from Frederic Kanoute and buried his shot with aplomb past Jerzy Dudek.
Having just failed to make it into England's Euro 2004 squad from a standby role, he now offers Sven-Goran Eriksson a potential alternative to the injured Wayne Rooney in next week's friendly against Ukraine.
And so Santini is able to continue his rebuilding job at White Hart Lane, having been forced to field something of a makeshift side in this opening fixture.
While Noureddine Naybet fitted comfortably into the centre of defence, it was otherwise a rather flat-footed home midfield which was over-run by the likes of Gerrard early on.
And for all the understandable fuss over Owen's departure - particularly for just £8million cash - it is Gerrard upon whom Liverpool's hopes will stand or fall this season.
Having almost single-handedly carried them into fourth place last season, he was again their main driving force at White Hart Lane.
Gerrard could have been awarded a 17th-minute penalty when debutant right-back Paul Ifil appeared to pull back his shirt after being turned inside and out.
But although Naybet managed to block a goalbound shot from Milan Baros, there was a certain inevitability about Liverpool seizing the lead eight minutes from the break.
While Harry Kewell had previously failed to capitalise on the huge space offered by Ifil and Jamie Redknapp, who was playing out of position on the right flank, this time he forced Naybet to clip a clearance just over his own bar.
From the ensuing corner, Frederic Kanoute's headed clearance fell at the feet of Steve Finnan, who returned the ball with interest as Jamie Carragher flicked it into the path of Cisse.
The irony, of course, is that it was former boss Gerard Houllier who worked so tirelessly to bring the French international to Anfield, but it is Benitez who will reap the benefits.
Cisse, who was standing on the edge of the six-yard box, made no mistake from close range as Tottenham's defence remained rooted to the spot.
While Gerrard also powered a right-footed volley just inches over the top, Tottenham's only attacking threat of the entire first half came when John Arne Riise cleared a shot off the line from Johnnie Carlos*son.
Spurs were at least more adventurous after the break, with Defoe bursting past two markers, only to flick his shot just over the top.
While Liverpool threatened on the break through Kewell, Benitez rather conceded the advantage back to the home side by withdrawing Cisse with 26 minutes left.
Shortly after Florent Sinama-Pongolle had been brought on, Spurs introduced their own two substitutes - Gary Doherty and Thimothee Atouba - and, bizarrely, were almost immediately level.
Liverpool were left appealing in vain for handball as Defoe challenged Jamie Carragher for a knock-down from Kanoute before swivelling to bury his shot past Dudek.
Defoe threatened again in the closing stages, but shot just wide.
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Jermain Defoe underlined his growing claims for a prominent role in England's future as he ensured new Tottenham coach Jacques Santini some early-season breathing space at White Hart Lane with a second-half equaliser in a 1-1 draw against Liverpool.
Santini's new-look Tottenham side, featuring five new signings and one 17-year-old on his senior debut, were largely outplayed by Liverpool in their Premiership opener.
Indeed, little more than an hour had passed after Michael Owen was unveiled in Madrid, wearing Real's number 11 shirt, than his effective replacement, Djibril Cisse, struck against Spurs in north London.
However, despite Liverpool dominating large swathes of the game, led by the indefatigable Steven Gerrard, who was denied an early penalty, Defoe made them pay with 20 minutes left.
Amid suspicions of handball, the emerging young striker burst onto a flick-on from Frederic Kanoute and buried his shot with aplomb past Jerzy Dudek.
Having just failed to make it into England's Euro 2004 squad from a standby role, he now offers Sven-Goran Eriksson a potential alternative to the injured Wayne Rooney in next week's friendly against Ukraine.
And so Santini is able to continue his rebuilding job at White Hart Lane, having been forced to field something of a makeshift side in this opening fixture.
While Noureddine Naybet fitted comfortably into the centre of defence, it was otherwise a rather flat-footed home midfield which was over-run by the likes of Gerrard early on.
And for all the understandable fuss over Owen's departure - particularly for just £8million cash - it is Gerrard upon whom Liverpool's hopes will stand or fall this season.
Having almost single-handedly carried them into fourth place last season, he was again their main driving force at White Hart Lane.
Gerrard could have been awarded a 17th-minute penalty when debutant right-back Paul Ifil appeared to pull back his shirt after being turned inside and out.
But although Naybet managed to block a goalbound shot from Milan Baros, there was a certain inevitability about Liverpool seizing the lead eight minutes from the break.
While Harry Kewell had previously failed to capitalise on the huge space offered by Ifil and Jamie Redknapp, who was playing out of position on the right flank, this time he forced Naybet to clip a clearance just over his own bar.
From the ensuing corner, Frederic Kanoute's headed clearance fell at the feet of Steve Finnan, who returned the ball with interest as Jamie Carragher flicked it into the path of Cisse.
The irony, of course, is that it was former boss Gerard Houllier who worked so tirelessly to bring the French international to Anfield, but it is Benitez who will reap the benefits.
Cisse, who was standing on the edge of the six-yard box, made no mistake from close range as Tottenham's defence remained rooted to the spot.
While Gerrard also powered a right-footed volley just inches over the top, Tottenham's only attacking threat of the entire first half came when John Arne Riise cleared a shot off the line from Johnnie Carlos*son.
Spurs were at least more adventurous after the break, with Defoe bursting past two markers, only to flick his shot just over the top.
While Liverpool threatened on the break through Kewell, Benitez rather conceded the advantage back to the home side by withdrawing Cisse with 26 minutes left.
Shortly after Florent Sinama-Pongolle had been brought on, Spurs introduced their own two substitutes - Gary Doherty and Thimothee Atouba - and, bizarrely, were almost immediately level.
Liverpool were left appealing in vain for handball as Defoe challenged Jamie Carragher for a knock-down from Kanoute before swivelling to bury his shot past Dudek.
Defoe threatened again in the closing stages, but shot just wide.
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meh fair enough result. decent 1st half then died in the 2nd. a striker and a wide right player really has to be a priority now. is xabi alonso signing? we need him too. dunno what was up with taking both strikers off, that was stupid. meh, ca be assed sayin much more.
i got the game from prem plus so had to pay 6 quid, despite the fact i was payin for it there are still adverts
anyone else think thats incredibly stupid and annoying 
i got the game from prem plus so had to pay 6 quid, despite the fact i was payin for it there are still adverts
anyone else think thats incredibly stupid and annoying alexandros
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Originally posted by Amika
well.. i'm really pissed now.. the whole point of replacing houllier is to get rid of the defend the one goal lead situation.. but it seems like they still play that kind of sh!t now... the whole team just switch off in the 2nd half.. which allow spurs to take the game to us...
We shouldn't overreagt on the result of the first game of the season. We lost at Tottenham last year, didn't we? And I can hardly remember a Liverpool win at WH Lane the previous years.
The team looked tired in the second half, but this is normal and will be fixed.
As for Barros, it's completely different the way czechs play as a national team, so this might be an explanation...
they would have won is dudek doesnt screw up in the goal..
I thought Liverpool played well.. is the first game of the season, so they were probably getting tired towards the end of the game.. you guys have seen Valencia play right? the finish the season very strong.. but start a little slower.. they don't reach their peak form until later in the yr.
I thought Liverpool played well.. is the first game of the season, so they were probably getting tired towards the end of the game.. you guys have seen Valencia play right? the finish the season very strong.. but start a little slower.. they don't reach their peak form until later in the yr.
The Kop Kid
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Wasn't Dudek's fault pal. If anyone was to blame it was the defence. Shouldn't have lost that ball to Defoe, and then Riise shouldn't have stood off him, but moved towards him to close the angle down IMO. Still, first game though.
I think Rafa made a mistake by taking Cisse out so early.
he sat back and it came back to haunt him.
Baros should have been taken out before Cisse.
The liverpool defense was pretty good.
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It looks like Real Madrid and Liverpool are gonna battle for Xabi Alonso.
Real madrid have offered 12 millon euros. How much have you guys offered?
he sat back and it came back to haunt him.
Baros should have been taken out before Cisse.
The liverpool defense was pretty good.
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It looks like Real Madrid and Liverpool are gonna battle for Xabi Alonso.
Real madrid have offered 12 millon euros. How much have you guys offered?
The Kop Kid
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16 million euros....or 18 million+Traore. 
maddog1983
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Hey Kop Kid
what you said back about what i said i understand what your saying .... but my point is Owen gave us 6 -7 years of quality ... and although i look to the future i still value the past he has carried us in alot of games ....
prime example 2001 FA cup final --- no owen and arsenal would have won
so he let his contract run down and then left -- am i happy nope can we do anything about nope ... Houllier would never have sold him he would have let him go free ...
about yesterdays game missed it because i was at work ... sounds like old times we played well but sat back and gave up the lead and then pressed but couldnt get a winner .... we'll come good
what you said back about what i said i understand what your saying .... but my point is Owen gave us 6 -7 years of quality ... and although i look to the future i still value the past he has carried us in alot of games ....
prime example 2001 FA cup final --- no owen and arsenal would have won
so he let his contract run down and then left -- am i happy nope can we do anything about nope ... Houllier would never have sold him he would have let him go free ...
about yesterdays game missed it because i was at work ... sounds like old times we played well but sat back and gave up the lead and then pressed but couldnt get a winner .... we'll come good
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