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Use of technology! Is it nessesary? Why?
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HellsideUltras
Reserve Team
Football is life, and **** happens in life thats unfair, so just take it even if isnt fair thats life and thats football. Enough said
Parra Power
Manager
that only works for stop/start sports...... like cricket
you'll completely kill the flow of the game if u gotta wait for someone to watch a replay 5 times before making a decision
human error is part of the game...... if everyone played at 100%, if all decisions were 100%, then every game would be won by the team with better players
you'll completely kill the flow of the game if u gotta wait for someone to watch a replay 5 times before making a decision
human error is part of the game...... if everyone played at 100%, if all decisions were 100%, then every game would be won by the team with better players
I say use replays. All season refs have been making terrible wrong decisions. I've counted forest have lost at least 15 points from clueless referees! I want Video evidence. People say it would make the game longer, but it's for justice. Maybe my team is just badly picked on, unlucky, whatever. But if decisions were correct then the leagues would look very different. I'd rather have the game a bit longer with justice, than have the 90 minutes with ref's continuing to make all the big decisions wrong.
all of the little mistakes are all apart of football you have to take the good with the bad for instance paul scholes disallowed goal against porto he was ruled to be offside but when you had a look at the replay there was no way he was you just have to play to wat the ref decides.
i think the refereeing hasn't been that bad, up until those guys who did the Man U-Porto match and the Milan-Depor match. WTF were they thinking
. and yeah to whoever said that refs need more assertiveness(is that even a word?) when they come up against big teams and players.
so..........
NO TECHNOLOGY
. and yeah to whoever said that refs need more assertiveness(is that even a word?) when they come up against big teams and players.so..........
NO TECHNOLOGY
I fully support the use of technology in sports. I don't see why the 'flow' of the game needs to be affected. For example, in the case of marginal offsides, where a goal is scored. After the ball has been put in the net, the game has stopped anyway, and a video ref can look at the tape and decide if it came from an offside position. If yes, then a freekick is awarded. If no, then the goal stands. THe flow of the game has not been affected, and the call is the right one. Exactly the same as happens in Rugby Union and Rugby League.
At the end of the day, where a football result can mean the potential loss of millions of dollars or a place in the next round of a competition (effectively the same thing), then we ahould be most concerned about fairness and accuracy. Too often we see a goal disallowed when the player is NOT offside, and too often we see a goal allowed when a player IS offside.
I would also support the use of video technology to eliminate DIVING from the game as well. In the case of a clash in the box, the vid ref can be used to judge whether or not the right option is a penalty or a card for the diver. Again, no more cases of Wenger saying 'I missed ze incident'. And again, the flow of the game has not been affected, as the game would have stopped with the whistle anyway.
THose of us familiar with Rugby Union and League will be all to aware of how little the Video ref has altered the flow of the game, all it has done is made the game fairer and the result more accurate.
At the end of the day, where a football result can mean the potential loss of millions of dollars or a place in the next round of a competition (effectively the same thing), then we ahould be most concerned about fairness and accuracy. Too often we see a goal disallowed when the player is NOT offside, and too often we see a goal allowed when a player IS offside.
I would also support the use of video technology to eliminate DIVING from the game as well. In the case of a clash in the box, the vid ref can be used to judge whether or not the right option is a penalty or a card for the diver. Again, no more cases of Wenger saying 'I missed ze incident'. And again, the flow of the game has not been affected, as the game would have stopped with the whistle anyway.
THose of us familiar with Rugby Union and League will be all to aware of how little the Video ref has altered the flow of the game, all it has done is made the game fairer and the result more accurate.
if ever Video was introduced it shouldnt be to decide offside decisions... You'd have plays continuing until the ball was out or shot or goal .... 10 times a game. With play brought back for a free kick it would just be a stupid mess.
The only thing Video would be usefull for is close calls on "did it cross the line or not". And that's it.
it would just be a stupid mess.The only thing Video would be usefull for is close calls on "did it cross the line or not". And that's it.
I am not talking about all offside decisions, but specifically in cases where a goal is scored and the touchjudge decides it is a possible offside - which the vid ref can then judge on. Again, no different to a try being scored in rugby and the vid ref being used to ascertain if there was a forward pass in the lead up to the try.
how bout giving managers the ability to appeal a questionable call or a goal disallowed? if the referee was deemed to be wrong, call is overturned. If the manager's appeal was wrong, they get one less substitute for the rest of the match.
yeah i know it sounds like the NFL but with only 3 substitutions per match, every questionable call by the ref would not be challenged and the manager would have to pick the most extreme spots to challenge a referee call. It would avoid many of the 'stoppages' people seem to think would be caused by the replays.
yeah i know it sounds like the NFL but with only 3 substitutions per match, every questionable call by the ref would not be challenged and the manager would have to pick the most extreme spots to challenge a referee call. It would avoid many of the 'stoppages' people seem to think would be caused by the replays.
mhflierman
Starting XI
You'd have to be very careful to introduce electronics into the game of football. To a certain level I'm all for it. There is just too much at stake these days, there's too much money involved to leave it all to a human being to decide. The nature of a human being is that it makes mistaes now and then. On the other end you don't want football to become like American Football, with time-outs and the referee going to the side to watch some video evidence. The first things you could introduce and which are fairly easy are watching the goal line and offsides. A sensor on the goal line which sends out a signal when the ball has crossed it, and for signaling offsides many systems have been developed yet.
To start with I have to say that I agree with others in this thread that football is a sport in which mistakes play a part in the drama, and refereeing mistakes are a part of it. However, I think that football absolutely has to introduce the use of modern technology to the game. The real question for me is how to introduce it without effecting the flow of the match whilst still improving the standard of refereeing.
Imo, the reason modern technology needs to be introduced to the game is because there is potentially millions of pounds at stake on the outcome of games. As such, we have to give the referee's every help they can get in making correct decisions on game deciding events, otherwise we should open up a whole new chapter in the game about the responsibility of the referee. ie. The referee is responsible for their own decisions, and is liable for extremely poor decision...
The Man Utd vs. Porto match is a recent example of this. Scholes' disallowed goal would've seen United through (had the score finished 2-1 but I'm not going to debate the nature of time here), but due to poor refereeing United lost out on anything up to £10m. It's going to effect United less than other clubs but what if it was the difference between relegation and safety? Relagation in football's current financial climate could see a team go bust.
Should teams be allowed to sue a referee, or a pro referee's organisation, for loss of earnings due to a bad decision?
Then there's to what extent should we use modern technology in football...
After a match with a controvertial incident involving players (ie. diving, violent play, etc.) we often hear that the FA is waiting for the referee's report before taking action. If they find that the referee hasn't mentioned the incident in the report then no action is taken (unless it's gross violent conduct such as an elbow). Why not expand the disciplinary process to include taking action on incidents which the referee may have missed but is a violation of the rules. I'm not talking about minor infringements but diving could be stamped out.
Diving is a particular source of controversy atm, and it's no wonder with players being able to decide games through an infringement which may be blatent to the tv viewer with their endless replays from different angles, but may be easy to miss for a referee in the middle of the action. I think we have to have a clamp down on this type of infringement and it's not going to come by booking players that dive in the game because we've seen that 9.9 times out of 10 they get away with it. The only way to stop it would be to punish them after the match. A suspension would be in order after a certain amount of infringements. Suspending players for a few matches would be the only way to stop it I feel.
Then we come onto the use of replays during the course of the match. I think it has to be introduced but we have to limit it's use. I quite like the use of replay's in rugby. It's only if the game has stopped that they can use the replays... and not for every decision.
In football, if a goal is scored then there's a natural pause in proceedings. Here the referee can make use of a 4th official to confirm any doubts that they may have over possible infringements. If they have no doubts (even if the player is actually offside in the replay) then they can give a goal and not call upon the 4th official. In other words, it's the referee's decision to ask the 4th official for advice. The same system can be used for making penalty decisions, and sendings off. I don't think that the game will pause for more than 15secs if it's used correctly and the flow of the game will not be effected.
Imo, the reason modern technology needs to be introduced to the game is because there is potentially millions of pounds at stake on the outcome of games. As such, we have to give the referee's every help they can get in making correct decisions on game deciding events, otherwise we should open up a whole new chapter in the game about the responsibility of the referee. ie. The referee is responsible for their own decisions, and is liable for extremely poor decision...
The Man Utd vs. Porto match is a recent example of this. Scholes' disallowed goal would've seen United through (had the score finished 2-1 but I'm not going to debate the nature of time here), but due to poor refereeing United lost out on anything up to £10m. It's going to effect United less than other clubs but what if it was the difference between relegation and safety? Relagation in football's current financial climate could see a team go bust.
Should teams be allowed to sue a referee, or a pro referee's organisation, for loss of earnings due to a bad decision?
Then there's to what extent should we use modern technology in football...
After a match with a controvertial incident involving players (ie. diving, violent play, etc.) we often hear that the FA is waiting for the referee's report before taking action. If they find that the referee hasn't mentioned the incident in the report then no action is taken (unless it's gross violent conduct such as an elbow). Why not expand the disciplinary process to include taking action on incidents which the referee may have missed but is a violation of the rules. I'm not talking about minor infringements but diving could be stamped out.
Diving is a particular source of controversy atm, and it's no wonder with players being able to decide games through an infringement which may be blatent to the tv viewer with their endless replays from different angles, but may be easy to miss for a referee in the middle of the action. I think we have to have a clamp down on this type of infringement and it's not going to come by booking players that dive in the game because we've seen that 9.9 times out of 10 they get away with it. The only way to stop it would be to punish them after the match. A suspension would be in order after a certain amount of infringements. Suspending players for a few matches would be the only way to stop it I feel.
Then we come onto the use of replays during the course of the match. I think it has to be introduced but we have to limit it's use. I quite like the use of replay's in rugby. It's only if the game has stopped that they can use the replays... and not for every decision.
In football, if a goal is scored then there's a natural pause in proceedings. Here the referee can make use of a 4th official to confirm any doubts that they may have over possible infringements. If they have no doubts (even if the player is actually offside in the replay) then they can give a goal and not call upon the 4th official. In other words, it's the referee's decision to ask the 4th official for advice. The same system can be used for making penalty decisions, and sendings off. I don't think that the game will pause for more than 15secs if it's used correctly and the flow of the game will not be effected.
Spurs4Life
Starting XI
It's always the damn Canadians and Yanks moaning about the Video replays