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Wow, I guess my prediction of 3 or 4 wins, at the beginning of the season, was a bit off. Maybe we'll be able to catch the condoms off guard?
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2007/08 College/HS football thread [R]
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ShiftyPowers
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ShiftyPowers;2392673 said:
Don't dig up that post yourself though. Please
Oh, and by the way, I'm sending my resume off to Michigan for that head coaching job. If this link doesn't work, login as a guest and search "football"
https://employcws.umich.edu/cws/seeker.html?Deploy=yes
ShiftyPowers;2447395 said:
"...support of the academic progress of student-atheletes....".....hmmmm, never knew that.
Good question:
2001-Nebraska loses 62-39 to #15 Colorado at Folsom field in Boulder on Thanksgiving day. Two teams enter the title picture: 1-loss Oregon(west goast bias) and 3-loss Colorado(which went on to beat Texas in the Dr. Pepper Big X11 Championship game, so conference champion but a glaring 3 losses) after a series of upsets knocked out other possible contenders(#2s fell, Tenessee, Texas, Oklahoma, while #1Miami won). Infact so many teams fell that the BCS went full circle and deemed Nebraska(non-conference champion) to the the "new" #2 ahead of 1-loss PAC10 champion Oregon and 3-loss Big XII champion Colorado(whom they got hammered by...I believe 5 rushing TDs by Chris Brown, who's now with the Titans). Outrage with Mike Bellotti, in particular, sounding off....
2003-All conquering Oklahoma Sooners led by eventual Heisman winner Jason White dominates the regular season, pounding several teams into submission until it is shocked in Kansas City by the K-State Wildcats 35-7. 1-loss SEC champion LSU and 1-loss PAC10 champion (both losses came earlier in the season than Sooner's only loss) enter the debate....#2 LSU becomes #1 and is "going" the the Sugar Bowl.....who's #2? USC(conference champion) or OU(non-conference champion BUT with same number of losses)? BCS picks..........OU...USC wins Rose Bowl 28-14 over #4 Michigan in "effective" National Championship game #2 and earns SPLIT National Championship with LSU after OU stayed home for Sugar Bowl.
I believe it was after this season that they had a new rule put in that ONLY conference champions are eligible for the NT game.
FFWD to this year, Gerogia cannot go to the NT game because they aren;t a conference winner. So that eliminates them...however, being one of the top (if I remember correctly) 10 teams, they WILL go to a BCS game. Which one is a different story altogether.
Bowls choose teams based on a rotation. So last year's NT game picks first after this year's NT teams are selected, so Fiesta could select any of VT, Hawaii, OU, USC, Georgia, etc.etc. up to #10. It picks OU...one train of logic says, if you have 8 teams to choose from, pick the highest one. Well the highest one would have been VT but Fiesta takes OU. It is the Bowl's decision.....to pick one from the other, that is.
Another factor (although there are plenty others) to consider is fans...specifically how well do they travel. Last year OU fans(geographically close) showed up for the Fiesta Bowl...would Georgia fans make a cross country trip to Arizona? Deemed Fiesta answer is no but apparently WVU fans will....hehe.
Yet another factor is, who is the better matchup for your strong selection...Fiesta was happy to get OU(strong selection) but after that? Well, who would match up best...you could say Hawaii, with the history of last year, but that;s up to the Bowl officials.
Now, Rose is a TOTALLY different story altogether....they WANT a BigX-PAC10 matchup (and believe it's their right to get the conf. winner no matter system is in use-BCS or playoff) unless one of the teams is absolute crap or unavilable, in which case they will look elsewhere...ex: OU in 2002 and Texas in 2005. This year, it became quite tricky...Illinois was ranked #13 and Mizz was ranked #6 in the final BCS, but Illinois goes and Mizzouri is left out. Illinois finished strong and beat a #1......it's almost as though they're saying we have to get that BigX team so sorry Mizzouri, see if another BCS bowl takes you.(Not a first that a top10 team is left out...before the NT game became a 5th BCS game, it was top 8 to BCS and #6 Oregon was expensed in favour of Notre Dame.) Pleasing the Rose Bowl, while at the same time avoiding a split champion, was probably the most important reason why a 5th game was added.
2001-Nebraska loses 62-39 to #15 Colorado at Folsom field in Boulder on Thanksgiving day. Two teams enter the title picture: 1-loss Oregon(west goast bias) and 3-loss Colorado(which went on to beat Texas in the Dr. Pepper Big X11 Championship game, so conference champion but a glaring 3 losses) after a series of upsets knocked out other possible contenders(#2s fell, Tenessee, Texas, Oklahoma, while #1Miami won). Infact so many teams fell that the BCS went full circle and deemed Nebraska(non-conference champion) to the the "new" #2 ahead of 1-loss PAC10 champion Oregon and 3-loss Big XII champion Colorado(whom they got hammered by...I believe 5 rushing TDs by Chris Brown, who's now with the Titans). Outrage with Mike Bellotti, in particular, sounding off....
2003-All conquering Oklahoma Sooners led by eventual Heisman winner Jason White dominates the regular season, pounding several teams into submission until it is shocked in Kansas City by the K-State Wildcats 35-7. 1-loss SEC champion LSU and 1-loss PAC10 champion (both losses came earlier in the season than Sooner's only loss) enter the debate....#2 LSU becomes #1 and is "going" the the Sugar Bowl.....who's #2? USC(conference champion) or OU(non-conference champion BUT with same number of losses)? BCS picks..........OU...USC wins Rose Bowl 28-14 over #4 Michigan in "effective" National Championship game #2 and earns SPLIT National Championship with LSU after OU stayed home for Sugar Bowl.
I believe it was after this season that they had a new rule put in that ONLY conference champions are eligible for the NT game.
FFWD to this year, Gerogia cannot go to the NT game because they aren;t a conference winner. So that eliminates them...however, being one of the top (if I remember correctly) 10 teams, they WILL go to a BCS game. Which one is a different story altogether.
Bowls choose teams based on a rotation. So last year's NT game picks first after this year's NT teams are selected, so Fiesta could select any of VT, Hawaii, OU, USC, Georgia, etc.etc. up to #10. It picks OU...one train of logic says, if you have 8 teams to choose from, pick the highest one. Well the highest one would have been VT but Fiesta takes OU. It is the Bowl's decision.....to pick one from the other, that is.
Another factor (although there are plenty others) to consider is fans...specifically how well do they travel. Last year OU fans(geographically close) showed up for the Fiesta Bowl...would Georgia fans make a cross country trip to Arizona? Deemed Fiesta answer is no but apparently WVU fans will....hehe.
Yet another factor is, who is the better matchup for your strong selection...Fiesta was happy to get OU(strong selection) but after that? Well, who would match up best...you could say Hawaii, with the history of last year, but that;s up to the Bowl officials.
Now, Rose is a TOTALLY different story altogether....they WANT a BigX-PAC10 matchup (and believe it's their right to get the conf. winner no matter system is in use-BCS or playoff) unless one of the teams is absolute crap or unavilable, in which case they will look elsewhere...ex: OU in 2002 and Texas in 2005. This year, it became quite tricky...Illinois was ranked #13 and Mizz was ranked #6 in the final BCS, but Illinois goes and Mizzouri is left out. Illinois finished strong and beat a #1......it's almost as though they're saying we have to get that BigX team so sorry Mizzouri, see if another BCS bowl takes you.(Not a first that a top10 team is left out...before the NT game became a 5th BCS game, it was top 8 to BCS and #6 Oregon was expensed in favour of Notre Dame.) Pleasing the Rose Bowl, while at the same time avoiding a split champion, was probably the most important reason why a 5th game was added.
^^ an impressive and informative writeup, bro. Posts like that is why you own this ******* thread and the topic it pertains to.
I thought that logic would dictate that the best possible matchups would generate the most amount of viewership/attendance, thus make the most money, right? But you forget how old tradition factors in (especially in the Pac as you've pointed out) and how there's that retarded two team per conference rule that they've got.
These ******* respective bowl officials need to all be capped, man.
This is when College football becomes offensive and detestable to me, man. What a ******* headache, eh? It's just all soooo highly subjective and absurd imo.
I thought that logic would dictate that the best possible matchups would generate the most amount of viewership/attendance, thus make the most money, right? But you forget how old tradition factors in (especially in the Pac as you've pointed out) and how there's that retarded two team per conference rule that they've got.
These ******* respective bowl officials need to all be capped, man.
This is when College football becomes offensive and detestable to me, man. What a ******* headache, eh? It's just all soooo highly subjective and absurd imo.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Nice long post. Totally wrong however. Fiesta didn't choose Oklahoma, they are required to take the Big 12 Champion if that team does not play for the National Title. The BCS Bowls which lose teams to the National Title Game (this year, it was the Sugar Bowl and the Rose Bowl) gets to pick their replacement teams first. However, the first Bowl to select a replacement cannot take the runner up for the conference which has the #2 team in the BCS without consent. Therefore, the Rose Bowl needed the Sugar Bowl's consent to pick Georgia, and the Sugar Bowl did not give that consent. Rose Bowl picked Illinois for the Big Ten vs. Pac 10 match up. Next, the Sugar Bowl picked Georgia. Then there is the at large selection rotation. This year the Orange Bowl picked first, and they took Kansas (for whatever reason). Second, the Fiesta Bowl picked West Virginia. Next, the Sugar Bowl was required to pick Hawaii, since it was a mid-major which cracked the top 12 in the BCS. That's the system. Every other team was an auto tie-in from winning their conference (i.e. Big 12 Champ to the Fiesta, ACC Champ to the Orange, SEC Champ to the Sugar, and the Big Ten and Pac 10 Champs to the Rose).
Right, I guess I was missing the part about the consent. If that's the case, then the BCS selection is quite predictable. I always figured it was a straight rotation system starting with the previous year;s title game bowl picking first.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
The title game is not a Bowl anymore, it is the National Championship Game. The Orange Bowl picked first this year, and the site of the Fiesta Bowl hosted the National Title last year. I don't know where you get your information from. The Bowls pick based on which one is closest to the date of the National Title.
I have to stand corrected. I haven;t included a rather significant part of the process. I was missing the part about the two bowls that lost their teams.....you;'re right, those pick first. I was completely missing that important part.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility
And to clarify, I was of the understanding that after the first 2 go to the National Championship game, there is a rotation system, for picking teams, starting with the "bowl" that hosted last year's National Championship game, which would be the Fiesta Bowl, picking first, then the Rose Bowl, then the Orange Bowl and then the Sugar Bowl.....not as you say, the Orange Bowl picking first. So this way, there is no "consent to pick teams" issue that comes up anywhere and it's pretty much open season on the 8 available teams.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility
And to clarify, I was of the understanding that after the first 2 go to the National Championship game, there is a rotation system, for picking teams, starting with the "bowl" that hosted last year's National Championship game, which would be the Fiesta Bowl, picking first, then the Rose Bowl, then the Orange Bowl and then the Sugar Bowl.....not as you say, the Orange Bowl picking first. So this way, there is no "consent to pick teams" issue that comes up anywhere and it's pretty much open season on the 8 available teams.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
I think what screwed you up is that the Rose Bowl is not included in the picking rotation, and they're always on January 1. If the Rose Bowl rotated, then it might always have been the Bowl site which hosted the Title game first. It's a confusing system.
I thought that a lot of the procedures were changed in the new one and never really read it up in detail. I always assumed that some of the old system would carry over and never really cared about figuring out what was really different.
Yes, that is true. I was under the impression that they were included in the rotation.
ShiftyPowers;2448410 said:
Yes, that is true. I was under the impression that they were included in the rotation.
ShiftyPowers;2448410 said:
Tim Tebow won the Heisman. Booo!
I was rooting for Colt Brennan.
I was rooting for Colt Brennan.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Yeah dude, they just ****ed Michigan up for the second time in 4 months.
Speaking of the Appalachian Mountains, Michigan may or may not (according to...I think....the WVU AD) have interviewed Rich Rodriguez for the coaching position at Ann Arbor. I would have prefered Bobby Petrino because that would allow the defense to face the spread in practice and this is a team that does NOT play well against the spread.
Damn you!
..............for pointing that out.
ShiftyPowers;2453002 said:
Damn you!
..............for pointing that out.
I think six coaches turned down the Arkansas job before Petrino scurried off to them in the middle of the night under cloak and dagger.
Their fans are some of the most unreasonable, rabid and aggressively ambitious people in all of sports, man. They ******* expect to be in serious contention for the NT every ******* year, man.
Their fans are some of the most unreasonable, rabid and aggressively ambitious people in all of sports, man. They ******* expect to be in serious contention for the NT every ******* year, man.
Well he's hired...Rich Rodriguez to Wolverines. So first the basketball coach now this guy. Hefty buyout.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
That's crazy. Can we expect to see Ryan Mallett playing like Pat White next year?