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V-9

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Yj


wat do u mean by thieves there?

u're mad, who do u think Ariel is if you are saying such things. u think too highly of him. he are biased and siding him to much to say such abusive things.

it's a disgrace........leave this scene and no one cares...

Agreed Yj. I don't know Ariel personally and I am not going to take EL_Gallo words too seriously. I don't think he knows that he is actually ruining Ariel's reputation than helping with all of these silly posts.
BTW, he said that he would leave this forum once before. And then when 2GK came out, all he does was post screenies after screenies of kits and some of which he doesn't even made. Some of posts, he replied himself. Very sad indeed.
 

Yj

Senior Squad
Leave it.... dun talk about it anymore.
If you are good, then u dun even have to advertise so desperately. if it is good, everyone will realise and will give ya their comments and compliments......

it's like what's the point? advertise so much and no one cares....i think there's also one problem, not many people will come to this forum and the funny thing is that SoccerAccess has its own Forums but why is everyone posting here?
 

Yj

Senior Squad
however, one point to agree with El_Gallo.

Lukas hasn't got permission from both authors, Ariel and Me. So maybe he right that Lukas cannot release 2GK2S because he hasn't got permission from us. and since Ariel is already coming out with a 2GK4S.......
 

lukas_svoboda

Senior Squad
hello,

I only wanted to give the best possible kits format to the fifa gamers community. And you might notice that I haven't released the 2GK2S on any website, I only posted the link to the edited files itself for anybody to be able to test it. This was only intended to help you (Ariel and Yj) with the work on the 2GK2S/2GK4S. But if you mind that I do a similar work to yours, OK, I will stop working on it so everyone has to wait untill Ariel or Yj release their 4S kits format.

I never wanted to release 2GK2S on any worldwide FIFA-community webpage, and if you read my mail carefully, you might read that I asked you both (Ariel and Yj) to release the 2GK2S exclusively on your websites (www.socceraccess.com and www.soccered.com) and gave you full rights to allow or restrict other people to put the 2GK2S on their pages.

Sorry if my 2GK2S work injured anyone here, I have already removed the files from their location from one of my posts earlier.
 

Yj

Senior Squad
not ur fault.....

It's not your fault Lukas....
There is no need to apologise. You havent done anything wrong have you? The proplem lies with this silly guy whu is 'in love' with another argentinian who thinks he is the ultimate genius and ruler of the FIFA community.

At the bottom line, just ignore the people here.. it is getting pretty crazy as people are all out to destroy it. well, if they really are, then let it be..... and i wish em all e best :p
 

strobe_z

Youth Team
Lukas... no need to apologize at all.

I think it's all a little crazy... We already had that HUGE discussion with Xbaez about how he's not copyrighting the actual 2GK fiels, just the IDEA or somesuch (I'm still a little hazy on the details).

Well to my untrained eye it looks like Ariel and YJ came along, took a look at EA's kit files, had ideas and adapted them. It's not like they created them from SCRATCH (or own the copyrights to EA's code... no matter who at EA some may know). Well... along comes Lukas, he takes a look at the adapted files, had an idea, and adapted them. It's one more step down the bloody line.

Nowhere has Lukas claimed that he "created" either 2GK or 2S... he simply came up with the idea of merging them. Well... I'm sure lots of us had that idea...but he's the only one so far to get off his @ss and do something about it. In my opinion he's been more than fair in making sure credit is well asigned.

Now, I like 2GK (sorry V-9!), and Ariel Santarelli's has done a great job, but I'd wager this whole 4S business is a direct outcrop of Yj's 2S innovation.... I strongly doubt Ariel's been masterminding this whole thing the whole time, otherwise he'd have released 2GK4S all at the same time. I assume (based on the timing of the release and other factors), that Ariel saw Yj's innovation and said to himself "hey!... what if I... and then...4!".

Now I don't see how that's any different than what Lukas did.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I've yet to hear ANYTHING from Ariel himself...EVER. Everything I've heard has been second hand "Well... my good buddy Ariel told me....".

El_GaLLo, I've defended your right to post screen shots and what not, but calling other people "thieves" is a bit much, and I agree your blind loyalty to Ariel is probably hurting his reputation more than helping. A little off topic, but I'm left with the impression that Ariel is some genius that must be sheltered from the community that adores him 'cause he's to fragile to handle it, so his "handlers" go into attack mode frenzy at any sign of a potential threat to Ariel's kingdom. I'm also left with the impression that Ariel is just a normal cool guy behind all that and is a lot more laid back about all this than others seems to give him credit for, but his lack of his own voice in these forums really hurts that image. I have no idea if he speaks english, but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen spanish (or other languages) in this forum, and I'm sure that some one would be willing to translate.

Finally, just because Ariel's been thinking the same thing as everyone else doesn't give him carte blanche on all things FIFA. I don't see why we should all just stop doing anything and wait for Ariel. I've got Lukas' 2GK2S files sitting on my harddrive and they work, so as far as I'm concerned Lukas Svoboda created the 2GK2S merger. I helped Lukas out by sending him a kit .fsh file with four sleeves for him to test, so if he gets the 2GK4S out first, it's his glory as far as I'm concerned.

sorry for the rant.


:p
 

El_GaLLo

Senior Squad
All I can say is I am glad Lukas took those files off that site. He published those files without the permission of one of the 2 creators and that was wrong. But it seems like I am crazy or something and no one understands me. I think it is ****ed up that people say I am in love with someone? What the **** is that about? If I am hurting Ariel then I guess I wont post any more either. First these people who think they are moderators..tell me not to post screens. Then they said if I leave no one will care. Now it seems like no more posts. These guys seem like bullies to me.
 

lukas_svoboda

Senior Squad
Re: not ur fault.....

Originally posted by Yj
It's not your fault Lukas....
There is no need to apologise. You havent done anything wrong have you? The proplem lies with this silly guy whu is 'in love' with another argentinian who thinks he is the ultimate genius and ruler of the FIFA community.

At the bottom line, just ignore the people here.. it is getting pretty crazy as people are all out to destroy it. well, if they really are, then let it be..... and i wish em all e best :p

OK, but one post ago you wrote that I can't release 2GK2S because I don't have permission from you (Yj) and from Ariel. I asked you both (Yj and Ariel) for it, but got no reply (maybe Ariel didn't understand my english letter :D)
So now I'm in a terrible situation: I have a great 2GK2S (imho) patch, I have already created a few kits with this method and I have big plans to create 2GK2S kits for every team that played in this season's UEFA Champions League (SlayeR - one of the best kitmakers in the FIFA community - sent us (to the EuropeanClubsPatch team) all his latest 2GK champions league kits), but I can't release the 2GK2S files because.........you know

Believe me or not, I hate making patches and kits if no-one can enjoy them. Does anyone make patches for himself? No! It's a big pleasure for every patchmaker if many people enjoy his work. So, I give up all future work on 2GK2S (there's no future work needed because it's finished and it works fine :D (see screenshot in one of my past posts in this thread)) and I won't continue working on 2GK4S.

Yj, you seem to be one of the most serious men here. I have sent you a very long mail a few days ago where I described what's 2GK2S and what are my future plans with it, and I also offered you (since you're the author of 2S, and, if I had to choose between 2GK and 2S, I'd choose 2S because the advantage of two different sleeves is (imho) better than higher resolution of 2GK) to release the 2GK2S files on your soccered.com. If you want, I can send you the files again.

I would be very unhappy if I had to let the 2GK2S files stay only in my computer. Anyway, noone can restrict me to send it by email to anyone who asks me for it. I repeat again, I have no plans to publish the 2GK2S to any (commercial or non-commercial worldwide FIFA-gaming www site), because I agree that the only two sites that could publish 2GK2S are www.socceraccess.com (authors of 2GK) and www.soccered.com (authors of 2S)

I am sorry for such a long post but I really had much to say......
 

Yj

Senior Squad
excellent!

ONE BIG QUESTION for Ariel: Why didn't you do 2GK4S or 2S back in FIFA 2001?

and btw, he does speak English as i've spoken to him before on icq. Ah yes..... at the end of the note, who is to blame for all this?

EA SPORTS!

If they had made a flawless kit structure which includes high qualigy kits along with 2 sleeves, 2 shorts 2 socks.....blah... then there will be no need for us. If they had created perfect kits, faces and stadia, then there wouldn't be a need for us to improvise. and everyone will still be enjoing their FIFA now. But here's the big qs, who's still playing FIFA?

i'm already sick of it after just 1 month. tired of getting robbed by the CPU.
 

Yj

Senior Squad
To Lukas

u know why i can't reply?
i dunno if i could because i dun have permission from Ariel, who claimed he hasn't even received that mail. and i tested out your files but found pretty nuthing much new. do i need to install new 2GK kits? or what i dunno....

if possible, do send me the files again and include those readme of what to do for it to work? im abit confused. and also, i though stobe has already done 2GK4S?
 

lukas_svoboda

Senior Squad
Re: To Lukas

Originally posted by Yj
u know why i can't reply?
i dunno if i could because i dun have permission from Ariel, who claimed he hasn't even received that mail. and i tested out your files but found pretty nuthing much new. do i need to install new 2GK kits? or what i dunno....

if possible, do send me the files again and include those readme of what to do for it to work? im abit confused. and also, i though stobe has already done 2GK4S?

check your mailbox, i hope it's [email protected]
 

V-9

Senior Squad
Lukas, good effort. Even if Yj agreed to let you use his 2S technique, what about Ariel? I think you need permission from both authors. But in retrospect, do you need permission or just give them credits their parts of your 2GK2S. A lot of things were made with other's people ideas. Do you think that all these brand of automobiles need permission from Henry Ford to make them. Henry Ford probably got his ideas from someone else also.
 

ZePenguin

Starting XI
Originally posted by V-9
Lukas, good effort. Even if Yj agreed to let you use his 2S technique, what about Ariel? I think you need permission from both authors. But in retrospect, do you need permission or just give them credits their parts of your 2GK2S. A lot of things were made with other's people ideas. Do you think that all these brand of automobiles need permission from Henry Ford to make them. Henry Ford probably got his ideas from someone else also.

yeah that's what i think too, you don't need permision...you just need to give their credit, maybe also advising them you're improving or using his idea to do something else...
 

lukas_svoboda

Senior Squad
yes I agree!

Of course I am waiting for permission from both Yj and Ariel, but Ariel didn't reply my mails, and I don't know if he watches this forum. But actually I would need the permission if I wanted to release the 2GK2S essential files on my web server; but I don't want to do that! I only created 2GK2S and asked Yj and Ariel to release the files on THEIR servers (www.soccered.com and www.socceraccess.com)

I really don't know what I did wrong :(
 

strobe_z

Youth Team
I agree... by working out how to combine both the 2S and 2GK patches Lukas has created something totally new.. and it's his (as much as ANY of this is ANYbody's).

For sure I agree that he should give credit to both Ariel and Yj for their work, but with all due respect, neither one of them pulled their files out of thin air. Both of them took EA's copyrighted file structure (I'm pretty sure even the .fsh file is a native EA format, but I could be wrong), and adapted it to their own purposes.

By sitting down and using his brain for a bit Lukas earned the right to a little respect here. Now I'd be against Lukas selling his little file, as would EA Sports' lawyers, I'm sure, if anyone started down that little road.

Put this in a little perspective her boys and girls... nobody owns ANYTHING here aside for utility programs (like gfxpak, Sonique FSH, the raptor series, etc.). You buy FIFA and you buy the license to use the game... EA doesn't sign over the rights to the files and the file structure... not to ANYone. The brand names that we use on kits and adboards, the team crests and logos, heck even the liknesses of the Stadiums EVERYthing is owned by someone else. You think all that stuff isn't there 'cause EA is too lazy? No way... it's 'cause it costs $$$ to license. EA has to plan it's budget for each game and then weigh the costs versus the advantages of including certain things.

Oh.. and if anyone is worried about hosting files on other websites because they fear that it impacts their 'hit count' (which = $$$ from sponsors), I think they should take it the full nine yards and decline to host other peoples kits etc... If I make some great kits and send them to a website.. the only one making ANY cash off it is the website itself. KitRaptor has a 'direct email' to www.socceraccess.com, does it not? Is that for the good of the kitmaker who spent his whole evening working out just the right size of the addidas logo, or for socceraccess.com to get more cool kits... which equals more hits?

If that's the case, should I email Dave Whitts at the MRA site and demand the 5 cents that my Canada Super-Patch generated for him in hits?!?!!?!?

Man if you're in this for the money....get another hobby. If you want a money making website put porn on it. I guarantee you'll get lots of hits.

The only hard currency around here is respect...that's it. Lukas has shelled out quite enough I think, it's time he got some back.

:mad:

here's a screen shot of my new patch... ALL copyrights respected!
 

lukas_svoboda

Senior Squad
look what I just read at socceraccess.com, it's a post from ariel:

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Many FIFA 2002 fans ask me if 2GK will include 2 sleeves. The answer is NO. But I ´m working on 2GK in order they have 2 sleeves in a near future. So many of you told me that you don´t like 2S kits because those kits that has not been made using that tecnique look awful. So I propose you this : I can make 2GK with 4 sleeves!!! Yes 2 short (one for right and one for left) and 2 long (one for right and one for left). Great no? Yes but we have a problem : If I make 2GK with 4 sleeves we will loose "captain band".
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so now I cannot see any reason why I couldn't release my 2GK2S :D because Ariel told here that he won't release any patch working in the same way as the my patch works (he just released 2GK4S and there are no news that he should ever release a 2GK patch with two sleeves).
 

strobe_z

Youth Team
Do it Lukas...

I don't like the 2GK4S thingy because the kitconverter doesn't seem to work for me. Besides, it's a pain to have to convert all those kits.

Besides, 2GK2S works with all 2GK kits, but does 2GK4S? So if you release a patch you have to include the converter and then expect that whoever downloads your patch converts all the other kits he's already downloaded.
 


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