Chelsea F.C [2009-2010]

[MikeyM]

I dunno how today could've gone worse. Red card to the only first choice defender we have left, we're probably gonna lose, another injury and ManU hace cut back to a point behind us. They will face Spurs, although at OT, and we will face Pool away.

Interesting, isn't it.

 

[Zakov]

Not too disappointed with the result, could've been worse, with us ending up with 9 men and a 70% Drogba. What the hell happened at the restart? Looked like he had a groin strain. I'm disappointed with Carlo's decision at the restart. He risked it too early and I'm sure Harry was pleased seeing Joe Cole going off, I won't blame Joey Cole if he leaves, Ancelotti is subbing him for fun recently. Joey looked promising in the first half.

For the Utd fans complaining about a conspiracy against them and Le Arse they've got their wish. Ref probably bottled after reading countless of reports about how we got away with penalty claims, he had to give one to please the majority, which what Utd fans are in this world we live in.

John Terry, silly boy he was. Got fired up too easily and if he was calmer he would've analyzed the situation more carefully instead of lunging in Bale. He had time and teammates covering him.

I have to say in games like this its better we change our approach. Too many balls hoofed up to Drogba, if it was Anelka would've had more build up play and pace(Like in the 7-1 against Villa).

Paulo was own by Bale,altho Ivanovic did a better job. What a cross by Ballack for the Lampsy's goal.

Next game is at home against Stoke, Utd have a game against Spurs, I'm sure they'll want to make it 3 out 3 against the top 3.

Should be playing with Paulo, Bane, Alex, and Ashley Cole. Deco is useless in physical encounters so Ballack should be the more suitable option. But I would like to see him play on the right, its been about 2-3 games already he delivered beautiful balls in the box from that side.

Depending on Drogba's fitness Joe Cole, Anelka, Malouda should be supported by Lamps and Mikel in the middle.

Can't wait for Essien to be back, he is reported to be back to full training, we'll see how it pans out.

Bad week for us, but we're still in front by a point and still have a small margin of goal difference which is a bonus. Spurs could've thrashed us if they took their chances.

 

[Mandieta6]

Interesting, isn't it.

Wow! What a fantastic, insighftul post! Your first in this thread for a while now, and just after we lost! What a coincidence!

Go away, we're still top of the table.

 

[Help?]

For the Utd fans complaining about a conspiracy against them and Le Arse they've got their wish. Ref probably bottled after reading countless of reports about how we got away with penalty claims, he had to give one to please the majority, which what Utd fans are in this world we live in.

Are you seriously going to argue that it was not a penalty kick? Had John Terry not handled that ball, it would have skipped right to the wide open Defoe, i think, a 99% goal. And what about the challenge on Bale 2 minutes before that?

 

[Zakov]

Are you seriously going to argue that it was not a penalty kick? Had John Terry not handled that ball, it would have skipped right to the wide open Defoe, i think, a 99% goal. And what about the challenge on Bale 2 minutes before that?

Well then the ref should've given the penalty for the challenge on Bale. Because the way the Premier League has been you rarely get penalties because of handballs unless it was your arms raised proper, instead of the ball hitting the shoulders. But the whole publicity and outrage from rival fans made it easier for the ref to give it.
You've been moaning about how a couple of decisions went our way and that there was a "conspiracy" by the refs and that if we won the title we aren't taking the it "fairly" or "deservedly", you've got your wish so can you please enjoy and sod off.

 

[Pogba4Now]

The title race has never been like that... I have the feeling it will be decided on the last day. So much suspense!

 

[Help?]

Well then the ref should've given the penalty for the challenge on Bale. Because the way the Premier League has been you rarely get penalties because of handballs unless it was your arms raised proper, instead of the ball hitting the shoulders. But the whole publicity and outrage from rival fans made it easier for the ref to give it.
You've been moaning about how a couple of decisions went our way and that there was a "conspiracy" by the refs and that if we won the title we aren't taking the it "fairly" or "deservedly", you've got your wish so can you please enjoy and sod off.

What are you talking about, I've got my wish? I've got my wish that Chelsea were finally rightfully penalized? It's as clear of a handball as it could be and you are making it sound like it was a wrong decision and luck wasn't on your side today. Do you want John Terry to catch the ball rugby style before you'll admit that a penalty should be given. Just because not all the handballs to unraised arms are called, don't make it any less illegal. He stopped an almost sure goal with his arm. If I had my wish, then Chelsea would have conceded a penalty for Terry's tug on Defoe (sorry, thought it was Bale at first, the actual Bale incident seconds later was correctly judge to NOT be a penalty) and the penalty that they did get called for, that would have been fair then.

 

[Zakov]

What are you talking about, I've got my wish? I've got my wish that Chelsea were finally rightfully penalized? It's as clear of a handball as it could be and you are making it sound like it was a wrong decision and luck wasn't on your side today. Do you want John Terry to catch the ball rugby style before you'll admit that a penalty should be given. Just because not all the handballs to unraised arms are called, don't make it any less illegal. He stopped an almost sure goal with his arm. If I had my wish, then Chelsea would have conceded a penalty for Terry's tug on Defoe (sorry, thought it was Bale at first, the actual Bale incident seconds later was correctly judge to NOT be a penalty) and the penalty that they did get called for, that would have been fair then.

Good heavens, if you read my posts properly(including my post match thoughts) you would've realized that I didn't mention anything about luck not being on our side.


I accepted the defeat thoroughly and the only thing I pointed out about Terry's handball is that ref's usually don't give those kinds of penalties away easily, and after the media circus about us getting away with decisions being publicized, I didn't expect anything less from the referees .
There was nothing that I said about it being illegal or not. You like distorting my words don't you, or maybe you just can't read properly.

As for the "you got your wish" part, I was implying that because you were suggesting that we weren't taking the title fairly and that there was a fooking conspiracy against Utd by the ref's association. I was getting tired of hearing that from Utd fans tbh, you all see the whole world with red tinted rose glasses don't you, as soon as something goes against you, you quickly find faults of other teams so that you use that to cover up your own team's inadequacy.(Which was made clear after the absence of Rooney).

Go and learn from guys like Mikey and ade, at least they don't go around making stupid comments like that.

Mourinho said it best.
"There are some guys who, when they are at home, have a big telescope to see what happens in other families. He speaks, speaks, speaks about Chelsea."

 

[MikeyM]

Wow! What a fantastic, insighftul post! Your first in this thread for a while now, and just after we lost! What a coincidence!

Go away, we're still top of the table.

I thought it was fairly insightful to be fair, I mean it hasn't been like this for a while and following the results of the past two weeks I'd actually all but given up (in fact I had almost mentally prepared myself to accept the title had gone, until Scholesy popped up in the 93rd minute)

Plus I won't deny I'm happy Chelsea lost, we needed them to. And yes I was very happy that John Terry was sent off because I feel sometimes he gets away with things. And also if the penalty was dodgy, then it was simply illustration that dodgy decisions do even themselves out eventually. Because you have to admit, the goal at Old Trafford shouldn't have stood, and technically neither should the winner at Stamford Bridge.

If anything, it's things like this that shoot down the theory that the FA is biased to certain teams - and also makes the stupid decisions easier to take.


As for you being top of the table, yep you are - but not as far ahead as you could have been. (I'm hoping it's a temporary stay in first place anyway)

 

[Help?]

Good heavens, if you read my posts properly(including my post match thoughts) you would've realized that I didn't mention anything about luck not being on our side.

I accepted the defeat thoroughly and the only thing I pointed out about Terry's handball is that ref's usually don't give those kinds of penalties away easily, and after the media circus about us getting away with decisions being publicized, I didn't expect anything less from the referees .
There was nothing that I said about it being illegal or not. You like distorting my words don't you, or maybe you just can't read properly.

But you made it sound like it. You said: "Ref probably bottled after reading countless of reports about how we got away with penalty claims, he had to give one to please the majority, which what Utd fans are in this world we live in. "

To me that sounds like you are implying that ref made a mistake.

As for the "you got your wish" part, I was implying that because you were suggesting that we weren't taking the title fairly and that there was a fooking conspiracy against Utd by the ref's association. I was getting tired of hearing that from Utd fans tbh, you all see the whole world with red tinted rose glasses don't you, as soon as something goes against you, you quickly find faults of other teams so that you use that to cover up your own team's inadequacy.(Which was made clear after the absence of Rooney).

Right back at you. You read my comments your way too.
1. After the Chelsea game, I explicitly stated that United don't deserve to win the title this season, in the United thread. Meaning that nobody does, in my opinion.
2. After the Chelsea game, a few guys where actually explicitly talking about the FA being on the Chelsea side, United always being made example of and the FA hating United and I said that it was all non-sense.
3. The post you are referring to, in which I said "It's like the whole refereeing department wants Chelsea to win the EPL". Notice the word "like". Usually people use that word that describe how things make them feel, rather than actually make a statement implying something.

So don't go around talking as if you are this great Chelsea fan, that sees things without any distortions and doesn't have his blue-tinted glasses one. You are just like me.

 

[Zakov]

But you made it sound like it. You said: "Ref probably bottled after reading countless of reports about how we got away with penalty claims, he had to give one to please the majority, which what Utd fans are in this world we live in. "

To me that sounds like you are implying that ref made a mistake.

Right back at you. You read my comments your way too.
1. After the Chelsea game, I explicitly stated that United don't deserve to win the title this season, in the United thread. Meaning that nobody does, in my opinion.
2. After the Chelsea game, a few guys where actually explicitly talking about the FA being on the Chelsea side, United always being made example of and the FA hating United and I said that it was all non-sense.

Sorry but the team who ends up top always deserve to win the league, despite the few favourable decisions they get. If its United in the end so be it.
A few guys you are referring to are whom? Because you were the one who made the big deal out of it.

Are you seriously going to argue that it was not a penalty kick? Had John Terry not handled that ball, it would have skipped right to the wide open Defoe, i think, a 99% goal. And what about the challenge on Bale 2 minutes before that?

Instead of over-analyzing my post, why don't you just ask what I meant?
I'm the one using the words here, ask me how I'm using them. Why do I have to tolerate your interpretation?

Instead, you just had to come in and shove your argument down my throat and even after you misinterpreted my original comment on it. To make it clear once more, I didn't think it was a wrong decision(especially after Mikel's tackle on Bale). I only wanted to get it out of my chest because the media was making such a big deal out of it, but they didn't do so as much when Utd got things their way in the past. That's why I said it in this CHELSEA thread, instead of going on about it someplace else. I wanted to share my thoughts with fellow Chelsea fans.

3. The post you are referring to, in which I said "It's like the whole refereeing department wants Chelsea to win the EPL". Notice the word "like". Usually people use that word that describe how things make them feel, rather than actually make a statement implying something.

Doesn't matter how you expressed it, the fact that you expressed it just means you're a quickly disgruntled fan when things don't go your club's way.
I just responded to it because I found it a bit disrespectful to what our club has done this season. I know how much you hate JT that's why you've become such a hot head when anything is concerned with him.
Its your opinion, that's why I eventually i left the discussion n the Utd thread.

So don't go around talking as if you are this great Chelsea fan, that sees things without any distortions and doesn't have his blue-tinted glasses one. You are just like me.

I'm never considered myself as this "great Chelsea fan", again you misinterpreting/distorting my comments to put yourself in a good light, whether intentional or not I don't give a toss. I know what my current standing is as a fan, I don't need someone else to tell me that.

I'm sorry but don't try to put me on the same wavelength as you, the fact that you admit it for yourself tho makes it more amusing.

I never go around in the Utd thread to put in insinuating comments further after they have had a bad result, you could just look at my post history if you think I'm lying.
And even in the Chelsea thread, I don't moaned about United getting their result even after they got decisions their way, I always emphasized focus on my teams.
I always accepted defeat thoroughly without any complaints or suggestion of a conspiracy against the team I support, even when others suggested so. (Just look at the aftermath of our match against Barca last season, I didn't moan on and on, just went about my thoughts after the game and be done with it. I never tried to look for faults or errors that are committed by other rival teams. I just don't give a toss.

 

[adedawson]

Well Wow. This is one of the best seasons I've watched in years so much drama.

After we lost to Chelsea I thought that was basically it. We had City away and it was 0-0. Even looked like city might get a goal. I was thinking, Yep we defiantly stuffed it now.

Scholes get his wonder goal again! I was now thinking were in with a chance, and then to top it of chelsea go and lose and Terry gets a red card. Banned for the next game.

Couldn't get any better from a United point of view. Its all down to a coin toss now. What a great season, Good luck.

 

[Zakov]

That may be true ade. The sad part is that all of us(Chelsea, Arsenal and Utd) at one stage had an opportunity to pull clear at the top but didn't.

It's good for the neutrals but nerve-wrecking for the fans.

As for Terry getting banned, I think it could be a good lesson for him. He needs to think things over and not be easily affected by the jibes of the crowd.
I thought the Spurs fans did a good job on getting on his back, he really took a swipe at Bale and the fact that he signaled "I got the ball twice to the bench" makes me think what a silly boy he was.

 

[adedawson]

As for Terry getting banned, I think it could be a good lesson for him. He needs to think things over and not be easily affected by the jibes of the crowd.
I thought the Spurs fans did a good job on getting on his back, he really took a swipe at Bale and the fact that he signaled "I got the ball twice to the bench" makes me think what a silly boy he was.

eh, it happens now and again. He will learn from the experience. I'd rather have Terry sticking his boot in then Drogba or Nani flapping around like morons.

Its not like he's the only player to do such things either. United have had a legacy of "rough and tough". Keano, Nev, Smith, Cantona even Rooney at time's although I think he's charmed down a lot.

Imagine how boring the game would be without them, its a contact sport after all. Not that I condone people going around breaking legs or anything, but getting rough is part of the game and would be a duller without it. The way the games going "touch" football is around the corner.

 

[Help?]

Sorry but the team who ends up top always deserve to win the league, despite the few favourable decisions they get. If its United in the end so be it.
A few guys you are referring to are whom? Because you were the one who made the big deal out of it.

Here, the quotes from Mikey who you said I should learn from:

Chalk another Chelsea assist to the f*cking FA. They screwed us at the Bridge and screwed us again.

When Chelsea collect the trophy (and they will) they should give medals to the f*cking FA as well.

It's difficult to think that there isn't an agenda against United, driven by the media - we don't get decisions at Old Trafford any more. Perhaps it's a bias from the London based FA.

I am beyond angry at how the FA's decisions always seem to cost United, it has to be an agenda - there's no other explanation.

Why am I even quoting these, just read the page 209 of the United thread.

Mikey: sorry buddy, in no way am I trying to tarnish your image or reputation, just trying to prove a point to Zakov.


As for the part where you are accusing me of making a big deal of: Making a big deal of it would have been to create a thread in the "Soccer Forum" titled The FA conspire for Chelsea to win EPL!!!!!!!!" with a whole bunch of facts against United and for Chelsea, a bunch of pictures and videos. THAT would be making a big deal of it. Whereas, I said 1 sentence in the United thread for my fellow United fans to discuss how the decisions felt, not what they actually were. And you and pete came in there and started talking like those decisions were all fair, trying to argue with me. Notice how I only mentioned the refereeing problems, after Chelsea had 3 straight games with controversial calls, whereas before that I had no mention of it.

And, in my opinion, i didn't see the media making a big deal of it. All I would see is some news about Chelsea getting a controversial win, which would be forgotten 1-2 days later, just like with any controversial win United got.

So, get your facts straight and get off my back, my red glasses are as tinted as your blue ones. You are doing the same and distorting MY comments (Me supposedly making a big deal of Chelsea getting controversial calls) to make yourself look in more favourable light compared to me. If the team loses fair and square I always admit it and if the team loses because of the referee I admit it too. The only reason I'm here "flooding" your Chelsea thread is because you started attacking my reputation. And I do apologize for assuming that you thought the penalty on Saturday should have not been called, but if you read back you will see that I DID ask you whether that's what you were implying and instead all I got is you telling me that I got my wish, so don't be surprised that I started going on about the issue here. My wish is for the right calls to be made. So yeah, i guess I did get my wish that time. All you had to do is actually explain what you meant, something that I still don't think I got from you. I think or can't find it now.

 

[Zakov]

Here, the quotes from Mikey who you said I should learn from:

Why am I even quoting these, just read the page 209 of the United thread.

Mikey: sorry buddy, in no way am I trying to tarnish your image or reputation, just trying to prove a point to Zakov.

And, in my opinion, i didn't see the media making a big deal of it. All I would see is some news about Chelsea getting a controversial win, which would be forgotten 1-2 days later, just like with any controversial win United got.

So, get your facts straight and get off my back, my red glasses are as tinted as your blue ones. You are doing the same and distorting MY comments (Me supposedly making a big deal of Chelsea getting controversial calls) to make yourself look in more favourable light compared to me. If the team loses fair and square I always admit it and if the team loses because of the referee I admit it too. The only reason I'm here "flooding" your Chelsea thread is because you started attacking my reputation.

Alright, first of all I apologize for getting the wrong call on who started the whole thing in the first place, and as for you making a big deal out of it, my general conscience thought you were after reading your post at the time.

The thing that riled me off the most was that you were implying that we weren't taking the title fairly. I was a bit taken back by that(when I should have just ignored it like I usually would) and started to snipe at yer and we went on back on forth in the Utd thread. It just went on from there to tbh.

I'm not trying to ruin your reputation, I was only pissed because after the Spurs match in which I was VERY VERY upset in the manner we lost, I posted post-match comments and one of my comments which was about the penalty was sarcastic, because that's how I deal with disappointment generally.
You see, the Chelsea thread is nothing like the United thread, we've only got around 3 active members around here discussing things.
So to put things crystal clear, the jibe at the penalty decision was meant for Chelsea fans. And I was waiting for a neutral's or Chelsea fan's response.
But to have you(a Utd fan off a win) come up so suddenly with another remark about penalties and refereeing concerning our team, just blew the fuse for me. It was like you was winding me up on purpose.

And for your information, the media was making a big deal out of it, the only reason it will be forgotten in our case is because of this backlash we suffered.
But in Utd's case, if there was such a situation, it would be forgotten because if you didn't know, Manchester United are the most famous club in the world, and it'll be ignored because the fans that read such articles will simply ignore them and it won't get the same publicity as articles that slag off Chelsea and its players.

It seems like we're like chalk and cheese, so if you're still not satisfied by my response, take it to PM.

 

[Zakov]

eh, it happens now and again. He will learn from the experience. I'd rather have Terry sticking his boot in then Drogba or Nani flapping around like morons.

Its not like he's the only player to do such things either. United have had a legacy of "rough and tough". Keano, Nev, Smith, Cantona even Rooney at time's although I think he's charmed down a lot.

Imagine how boring the game would be without them, its a contact sport after all. Not that I condone people going around breaking legs or anything, but getting rough is part of the game and would be a duller without it. The way the games going "touch" football is around the corner.

Yeah, but while his performance has been consistent for us, I think Terry needs to be calmer in these sort of situations because he is the Captain of our club. If we lose him, we lose our best leader on the pitch and we could have found a way back against Spurs if he didn't get sent off, who knows.

I do think at times, Terry does look as if he's affected by the jibes aimed at him. It'll be even tougher in South Africa.

Back to Chelsea in general, its a certainty that Bane will be playing alongside Alex. With Paulo and most likely Ashley Cole back for us(which is a much needed boost). Malouda could use him, they were great on the left on the early parts of the season. We should give Drog a rest, I'm sure that groin strain has its effects on him and we wouldn't want to risk him.

Deco should be dropped because like I mentioned before, Stoke are a different proposition, we need players with height and physicality to defend against Delap's bombing throws and their set pieces.

If we win against Stoke(and I do hope we win big) while Spurs get a result against Utd, it'll be less pressure for the lads against Liverpool.

 

[Help?]

It seems like we're like chalk and cheese, so if you're still not satisfied by my response, take it to PM.

Nah, we are good, i'm out

 

[pede54]

What a madly infuriating pastime supporting your club is sometimes.

We were absolute sh!te against Spurs. They on the other hand were deserved winners. I thought they would be up for this game, but I was sure they couldn't last the whole game. I thought they would be a pretty tired squad after the week they had. How wrong can you be huh? Well done to them.

Deco is a complete waste of space. He does nothing anymore (not that he ever did much anyway), and he certainly isn't the type of player to use in a game like this. Paulo was never gonna be able to deal with Bale. Not with the form that Bale is showing this season. So that was a wrong choice of player too. Joe was taken off instead of Deco too. Carlo's mistakes. As for the rest of the team, they got pretty much owned too, and I hope they all learnt a lesson from it. Frank just kept going and going all the game, and deserved his goal. What a player he is.

This season, pressures outside of football have taken it's toll on JT. I'm amazed that he has carried on for so long without losing the plot. Lets face it, you can't pick up a newspaper any more without reading some hack ripping him to pieces over one thing or another.

The amount of personal abuse written about him after the Bolton game was disgraceful. As if he were to blame for Bolton not getting their dubious penalty claims given to them.

He is a human being like the rest of us, and in the Spurs game, he reached that point where he simply lost it. When some of the Spurs fans sang a revolting and insulting song about his wife, that was where he began to lose it. The Chelsea fans around me were also aware that JT looked all wrong, and were saying so. We weren't that surprised to see him get 2 bookings and a red card to be honest. I noticed Phil Dowd enjoyed giving it to him though. Egotistical prick that he is.

Anyway I think a one game rest will do JT the power of good. I don't like to see him like that. He will know himself that something's not right, and hopefully he'll sort it out. It's important for Chelsea and England that he can.

The Bison has been in full training all this past week, and is expected back very soon, whatever that's supposed to mean. I'm taking it to mean the Stoke game which is probably optomistic but, why not be optomistic.

We are still top of the league. 1 point AHEAD with 3 games to go. Everyone would rather be where we are right? Right.

C'MON U BLUES

 

[MikeyM]

Here, the quotes from Mikey who you said I should learn from:





Why am I even quoting these, just read the page 209 of the United thread.

Mikey: sorry buddy, in no way am I trying to tarnish your image or reputation, just trying to prove a point to Zakov.


As for the part where you are accusing me of making a big deal of: Making a big deal of it would have been to create a thread in the "Soccer Forum" titled The FA conspire for Chelsea to win EPL!!!!!!!!" with a whole bunch of facts against United and for Chelsea, a bunch of pictures and videos. THAT would be making a big deal of it. Whereas, I said 1 sentence in the United thread for my fellow United fans to discuss how the decisions felt, not what they actually were. And you and pete came in there and started talking like those decisions were all fair, trying to argue with me. Notice how I only mentioned the refereeing problems, after Chelsea had 3 straight games with controversial calls, whereas before that I had no mention of it.

And, in my opinion, i didn't see the media making a big deal of it. All I would see is some news about Chelsea getting a controversial win, which would be forgotten 1-2 days later, just like with any controversial win United got.

So, get your facts straight and get off my back, my red glasses are as tinted as your blue ones. You are doing the same and distorting MY comments (Me supposedly making a big deal of Chelsea getting controversial calls) to make yourself look in more favourable light compared to me. If the team loses fair and square I always admit it and if the team loses because of the referee I admit it too. The only reason I'm here "flooding" your Chelsea thread is because you started attacking my reputation. And I do apologize for assuming that you thought the penalty on Saturday should have not been called, but if you read back you will see that I DID ask you whether that's what you were implying and instead all I got is you telling me that I got my wish, so don't be surprised that I started going on about the issue here. My wish is for the right calls to be made. So yeah, i guess I did get my wish that time. All you had to do is actually explain what you meant, something that I still don't think I got from you. I think or can't find it now.

No offence, I can be at the vanguard of the "everyone hates United" brigade backlash.

I speak always from the heart, and sometimes right after a match - so yeah perhaps sometimes I let anger get to me.

As I said afterwards though, luck runs out and the decision against Chelsea illustrates this. Decisions do go against everyone, sometimes it takes a while to balance them out. Chelsea enjoyed luck in both their games with us, and at Bolton - Saturday the decison went against them - it happens.

Either way it's definately squeaky bum time.