Gunman kills 28 in Connecticut school

[Alex]

RC that post is ridiculous. There should NEVER be a need to carry a firearm to protect yourself. This is where the USA has it wrong.

We allow people to have guns in Australia, if they hunt, or do it for sport. As soon as people are carrying them for self defence, you're suggesting shooting people is an answer. It's never the answer, and more guns in the hands of people for that reason, means more people will die at the hands of firearms.

 

[Alex]

And a life for a life doesn't work for the type of people that go on these massacres anyway. They often end up killing themself.

 

[AndreaPirlo21]

The ease of getting a semi-automatic today is too easy. We need better gun restriction laws, if we don't do away with the guns themselves. The only guns that should be allowed to be bought for a citizen are pistols. Semis should be reserved for the military only.

If we decide to still allow guns, then the restrictions should be much, much higher. Similar laws have been in place before:

The phrase "right of the people to keep and bear arms" was first used in the text of the United States Bill of Rights (coming into law as the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States), although similar legal wording can be found in the 1688 English Bill of Rights which states "Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defense". Beyond the United States of America, the general concept of a right to bear arms varies widely by country, state or jurisdiction.

 

[regularcat]

Disagree with this entire post. I certainly can't always get an automatic rifle "with bodies on it" and I doubt any of these white suburban criminals could either. The Columbine kids had contacts like that, really?

take a trip to milwaukee not dressed like your preppy self and see if you cannot get your hands on a gun.

fact is you can get any gun anywhere, anytime, i know plenty of white suburban kids and black too with guns picked up off the streets for cheap.

suburban means nothing anymore, the "hood" is so "cool" nowadays it is everywhere you look, it is looked at by the younger generations as the place to be and everybody is a gangster.

who knows what the columbine kids had, but denver is not far from them and if you think you cannot get a gun out there you are mistaken.

RC that post is ridiculous. There should NEVER be a need to carry a firearm to protect yourself. This is where the USA has it wrong.

We allow people to have guns in Australia, if they hunt, or do it for sport. As soon as people are carrying them for self defence, you're suggesting shooting people is an answer. It's never the answer, and more guns in the hands of people for that reason, means more people will die at the hands of firearms.

self defense meant in their household in case of burglary, etc.

i never said shooting people is the answer, but if you break into my home at 3 in the morning i am not going to heat us up a pot of tea and attempt to talk it out on my couch.

my point was laws besides a life for a life is the only way, if they end up killing themselves so be it, whether he takes his own or he is executed, etc better the lunatic is gone than alive in a prison.

and places around where i grew up people kill over everything, a gun is needed for self defense.

opinions of whether or not we think they are needed does not matter, try telling those who live in those places a gun is not needed, not everyone lives in a wonderful neighborhood with wonderful neighbors.

 

[Jaboldinho]

Why do you think it's easy to buy a gun from the street? Because it's easy to buy one from a Walmart.

Like, if somebody wanted to ban cigarettes, cause kids keep getting them, you'd say they get them illegally. Yes. But it's easy to get something illegally if somebody can get it legally first.

If guns were more controlled, somebody getting an illegal gun would be more visible. If people weren't allowed to have guns, when somebody had one, you'd know it was illegal. Now there are people who might have tons of guns that people know about, they just think they're bought legally.

There is no reason for one to have a gun. Hunting, fine. Not a fan, but you can keep that. You don't need an assault rifle for that though.

Even if it is easy for anyone to get a gun illegally, it's harder, concretely, and mentally.

I've heard that stats say that guns bough legally, for self-defense, are more likely to be used against the owner and their family than getting shot by a random guy with a gun.

Some form of gun control is needed.

 

[regularcat]

Why do you think it's easy to buy a gun from the street? Because it's easy to buy one from a Walmart.

Like, if somebody wanted to ban cigarettes, cause kids keep getting them, you'd say they get them illegally. Yes. But it's easy to get something illegally if somebody can get it legally first.

If guns were more controlled, somebody getting an illegal gun would be more visible. If people weren't allowed to have guns, when somebody had one, you'd know it was illegal. Now there are people who might have tons of guns that people know about, they just think they're bought legally.

There is no reason for one to have a gun. Hunting, fine. Not a fan, but you can keep that. You don't need an assault rifle for that though.

Even if it is easy for anyone to get a gun illegally, it's harder, concretely, and mentally.

I've heard that stats say that guns bough legally, for self-defense, are more likely to be used against the owner and their family than getting shot by a random guy with a gun.

Some form of gun control is needed.

it is just as easy to get a gun from a corrupt cop as it is from walmart.

gun control can only be effective if nobody had a gun but there are too many out there, even if you increased the standards, etc the amount of weapons already available that are recycled from person to person is probably close to the millions.

until all weapons are off the streets and everything is started from 0 there is nothing you can do to control it.

 

[Jaboldinho]

And men can't fly.

Nothing happens if you don't try. More guns can't be the solution. All statistics when comparing to other countries imply, that changing legislation would help.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Regularcat is even more full of shit than usual. "Excuse me young negroes, can I purchase an AK from any of you?" Yeah, super easy, that's how it works. And who doesn't know a cop willing to sell his gun? Dealing with a missing cop gun is totally no big deal for them. I bet it was hella easy to track down black market semi automatic rifles in Newtown, CT and Littleton, CO.

 

[regularcat]

And men can't fly.

Nothing happens if you don't try. More guns can't be the solution. All statistics when comparing to other countries imply, that changing legislation would help.

you can try but i really do not see it happening the way you think it will.
we have laws and how many of them truly are followed, to some laws are meant to be followed and to some meant to be broken.

you are talking like guns are the problem, guns are not the problem, people are the problem.

Regularcat is even more full of shit than usual. "Excuse me young negroes, can I purchase an AK from any of you?" Yeah, super easy, that's how it works. And who doesn't know a cop willing to sell his gun? Dealing with a missing cop gun is totally no big deal for them. I bet it was hella easy to track down black market semi automatic rifles in Newtown, CT and Littleton, CO.

if you would take a minute to step out of ritzy high class white man's land and frequent the places you are scared to get within 10 blocks of you would see more.

of course a "young negro" would never sell a gun to a prep like you who wears his pants above his waist because you look like a cop, they may just shoot you instead.

that would surely open up your closed mind wouldn't it Shifty.

growing up i had seen more things that would make you scratch your head in horrible areas.

i can take you to a place right now and get you anything you want, you want a pistol, an assault rifle, an anti tank missle ?

do you really think there are no corrupt cops or people behind the counter of a gun store that would not look the other way for the right price ?

i never said the weapons used in newtown and littletown were illegal weapons, i am talking in general about guns and gun control, not just white kids from rural areas.

trying to pretend these scenarios are unreal would make you the one full of shit.

 

[4ndr3i]

So you could hook me up with anti tank missiles?

 

[Mandieta6]

I would like hear about regularcat's background and see a picture of this anti-preppy dude.

 

[yoyo913]

if you would take a minute to step out of ritzy high class white man's land and frequent the places you are scared to get within 10 blocks of you would see more.

That's his point.
Lets say Shifty goes mental and wants to go insane at a mall. He wouldn't be able to get his weapons because he can't go to a rough neighborhood and negotiate for them because he doesn't have the ability as you say.

 

[regularcat]

I would like hear about regularcat's background and see a picture of this anti-preppy dude.

i am the farthest thing from a prep az, i don't walk around the ghetto dressed like a lawyer or a cop.

That's his point.
Lets say Shifty goes mental and wants to go insane at a mall. He wouldn't be able to get his weapons because he can't go to a rough neighborhood and negotiate for them because he doesn't have the ability as you say.

my point is Shifty looks like a cop/lawyer and no "young negro" would give him a chance to talk.

but if a punk, emo, white gangster or any non authoritative threat would approach them it would be no different then buying drugs from them.

it is all about initial perception of somebody, if you sold drugs or guns and someone who looked like a cop walked up to you would you talk to them ?

So you could hook me up with anti tank missiles?

i do not sell weapons or drugs, i work for my money as i have grown up and realized life is not all about power and money.

i can drop you off in a neighborhood where those things can be purchased but i won't be walking beside you when you attempt to do what you are going there for.

i don't go to the hood with anyone i can't speak for and won't take a bullet for someone i can't speak for either.

 

[yoyo913]

my point is Shifty looks like a cop/lawyer and no "young negro" would give him a chance to talk.

but if a punk, emo, white gangster or any non authoritative threat would approach them it would be no different then buying drugs from them.

And you ignore my argument. I don't care about whatever you're talking about as it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. What if the next kid who goes mental looks like a cop/lawyer? A lot of them look like preppy sheltered white kids. It's harder for him to do his killing spree now thus enforcing stricter gun laws in this scenario helps society.

 

[regularcat]

And you ignore my argument. I don't care about whatever you're talking about as it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. What if the next kid who goes mental looks like a cop/lawyer? A lot of them look like preppy sheltered white kids. It's harder for him to do his killing spree now thus enforcing stricter gun laws in this scenario helps society.

then start a petition for it, i really do not see anything controlling it, it is too far out of control.

and if these wackos cannot get guns they will use something else, pipe bombs, etc.

the world is fu**ed and that is the bottom line, not a damn thing you can do to fix it.

 

[Mandieta6]

I said anti-prep. Are you going to tell me about your background and provide a pic of you? Because the more you talk the more I think you look exactly like Shifty.

 

[regularcat]

I said anti-prep. Are you going to tell me about your background and provide a pic of you? Because the more you talk the more I think you look exactly like Shifty.

what form of background do you want ?

country : the united states of america
state : new jersey/new york
cities nj : new brunswick, south river, camden, newark, elizabeth, irvington, east orange, plainfield

i know people everywhere across the state of new jersey.

basically all you need to know, feel free at anytime to hop a flight and visit those lovely places i am sure you will enjoy your time there.

picture, will never happen.

 

[4ndr3i]

Do you know Snooki?

 

[regularcat]

Do you know Snooki?

no not personally and hope i never do.

 

[4ndr3i]