Gunman kills 28 in Connecticut school

[Back Door Skip]

how could you blame the car, it has no brain, it does what you tell it to do, same as the gun.

so what, knives were designed to harm and kill also, so when you see a news article of something getting knifed up should they ban knives too ?

guess we will all be eating like the cavemen once did.



there are guns and then there are weapons of mass destruction, which we do not have the right to bear and never will.

you can't buy those things because you cannot afford them and i am sure somewhere in the world those things are obtainable.
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like i have been saying, i like guns, i like the range and shooting things so my mind cannot be swayed to go against them and if you don't want or need a gun that is cool i just hope you are never in a situation where you need one because chances of you knuckling down an armed intruder, etc won't go too good for you.



i'd love to have a grenade launcher and to be blowing shit up like they do on american guns and shows like that.

LOL, I don't even have a response for that. No need to counter, you got it on your own.

 

[regularcat]

Knives were not designed to harm and kill and have several other purposes. I used a knife 5 or more times today for various purposes and none of them were violent.

Regularcat is a pretty typical cowardly little faggot who straps on his AR-15 cock and goes to the range.

so i am a "cowardly faggot" because i like to shoot guns off at a range ?

A knife's primary purpose is generally culinary. Also to cut through things etc.

This isn't the case got a firearm. Their primary purpose is to kill - be it animals or people.

Regular Cat, I'm someone that has grown up shooting guns. My dad has over fifty registered to his name. I LIKE guns. But American gun laws are ridiculous, and something needs to be done.

The old saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is ridiculous. NO people with guns kill people. It's both. We can't take people out of the equation, as that's everyone. We CAN take guns away, or at least control turn substantially. Doing nothing is ridiculous. The system, right now, doesn't work. That's fact. You're making excuses for not even TRYING alternatives. Something has to be done, alternatives work in other parts of the world. The USA isn't some third world country where police have little control or authority. There are parts where it would be harder, but if the law is on their side, change can be made. Doing nothing, and blaming people is the easy way out. Take the tool out of the person's hand.

what can you do to better the laws on gun control alex ?

i never said the gun laws were not ridiculous, i said that we should have the right to bear arms for anything but killing people but i would be okay with taking a life in self defense if needed.

Oh, and regarding your continued argument if gangs and ghettos having weapons etc. This will ALWAYS be the case. It's still the case in Australia. But these generally aren't the people that open fire on loads of innocent civilians. These guns are used in gang wars etc. This doesn't make it right, but that's a completely separate issue - and one that is much harder to solve.

Nearly all of these massacres on America are committed by average middle class Americans. These are the people that have much too easy access to high power assault weapons. This is what needs to be fixed.

no they usually are not responsible for the massacres but plenty of innocent victims have been hit in gang related violence.

First of all, the knife argument is retarded, as already pointed out. You're proving it yourself. If banning them gets us eating like cavemen, it obviously shows knifes aren't made to kill.

Killing tens of innocent children is enough to count as mass destruction for me.

one of the purposes of a knife is to kill people, they have been used in wars before our time and during our time, it is a fact.

if it was not then we would not have the blade cannot be longer than your palm rule which gets you arrested for weapons possession.

i would also consider tens of innocent children being shot down a massacre too.

 

[Jaboldinho]

Knife can be used to kill people, just like a car, or alcohol, or a razor. But it's not their primary purpose. That's the difference. Gun has no other use. If you can't understand this difference, then there's no hope for you.

The same day a man attacked a school in China. He had a knife. Nobody died.

 

[regularcat]

Knife can be used to kill people, just like a car, or alcohol, or a razor. But it's not their primary purpose. That's the difference. Gun has no other use. If you can't understand this difference, then there's no hope for you.

The same day a man attacked a school in China. He had a knife. Nobody died.

who said i did not see the difference ?

who attacks a school with a knife and expects to kill someone, i'll bet it was a 3 inch pocket knife.

my point with the knife was everyone says guns should be banned because they kill people, people have been killed with other tools too.

i just don't understand everyone's opinions on why guns should be banned because someone died by one.

if you ban one you should ban them all, knives, cars, alcohol, razors.

there are plenty of sane people in the usa who own all of the above and do not use them to kill.

 

[Jaboldinho]

I'm not saying guns should be killed because they can be used to kill people. I'm saying they should be controlled, because that's the only thing they're used for. We shouldn't be killing people, therefore we shouldn't have items made to do solely that.

There is no need for people to have guns.

 

[Filipower]

who attacks a school with a knife and expects to kill someone, i'll bet it was a 3 inch pocket knife.

Yeah, what a noob, right? It's like he was mentally unstable.

i just don't understand everyone's opinions on why guns should be banned because someone died by one.

The fact that almost everyone already explained that to you and you decided to ignore it is awesome.




How old are you, exactly? Because if it's anything less than 45, well damn.

 

[regularcat]

I'm not saying guns should be killed because they can be used to kill people. I'm saying they should be controlled, because that's the only thing they're used for. We shouldn't be killing people, therefore we shouldn't have items made to do solely that.

There is no need for people to have guns.

no we should not be killing people and ill agree to that 100% but the fact is this world is crazy and people do kill people for whatever reason and i like the fact that i can possess something that could possibly protect me from being a victim.

i respect your opinion but our opinions are different and we just have to except each other opinions, every discussion in this lounge turns into a heated battle over something we can't control and everyone gets butt hurt because they can't swallow what the other is saying.

Yeah, what a noob, right? It's like he was mentally unstable.

yea he was mentally unstable, aren't we all.

The fact that almost everyone already explained that to you and you decided to ignore it is awesome.

no fili i understand what they explained i just can't come to grips with it, i get that in their minds the guns kill people, etc and as i said so do other things but we don't attempt to control them.

to control them to extent is fine because they do need some form of control but to get rid of them completely is unjust to the stable, sane individuals who make mature decisions when they possess the gun or tools.

How old are you, exactly? Because if it's anything less than 45, well damn.

age has nothing to do with the fact i don't share the same opinions with you or the others, my mind and i am entitled to my opinions regardless of how much you drop trou and shit all over them.

 

[AndreaPirlo21]

A fact is that there have always been and will be insane people. If they get their hands on a semi, we will have a problem. There needs to be better gun control laws because we can't control lunatics, but we can control distribution and stock.

 

[clash]

What do you guys think other solutions could be?

I mean, obviously, not being able to place a semi-automatic rifle into your shopping cart, next to a milk box and a pair of socks should ease the problem, but it won't make it disappear. As I said earlier, I think it's a social problem that can't be fixed by changing few laws. The killer in Connecticut used guns that were registred on his mothers' name.

I think this is the place where the governments should include as much people as possible, to create a wider social discourse, do some crowdsourcing, include grassroot level groups etc. This matter should be discussed in as apolitical and wide manner as possible, in order to rule out power games (e.g between democrats and republicans). It shouldn't be another left vs. right, party vs. party battleground but a clear signal to society that we're now really working on this shit now.

 

[Theodorakis]

at the age of 8, I shot a bird with airgun at a tree branch, just to see what happens.. you know, I was a kid and stupid, curious, bold, all at the same time..

the second after I shot the bird, I realized what I did.. what if she had baby birds, was that necessary? I never shot a bird again.. my father is coursing occasionally, so we have several guns at home including shotguns, handguns and airguns..

I rarely touch them, and when I do I shoot plastic bottles..

so, in this equation I think it would be better to put more emphasis on educating people rather than restricting gun selling.. I also think owning carbines for personal use is pointless and should be restricted..

another thing bugs me.. I might agree with restricting personal bear of guns to a certain point, but USA has hundreds of billion dollars as their military budget (approx 700bn $ per year) and I'd like to hear your opinions about this as well.. you know if you develop, manufacture and even sell weapons worldwide, you also promote a war for consuming them, so that you can sell more.. how about macro perspective, do you think the military budget should be restricted as well?

 

[regularcat]

do you think the military budget should be restricted as well?

no way, it keeps us and other countries protected when war time comes, the only way in the world i would support this idea is if every other country in the world had it's budgets cut by the same percentage.

the united states is hated by most and the second our military weakens who knows what other countries might try to do.

 

[Back Door Skip]

By weakening you mean lowering the budget on the already overkill amount of weaponry and resources? You seem brainwashed. Did you get kidnapped and tortured by being forced to listen to NPR conservatives 24-7?

 

[clash]

I'm not sure but I'm afraid that this "prepare for war" mentality during peace time won't be helping to pacify your citizens nor your enemies abroad. Especially if your government chooses to prefer the military budget and drone attacks in foreign countries, to solving social issues in your own homeland. While "American heroes" are armed and the "American way" is the highway to a supermarket, I'm not too optimistic about this issue. People lose their minds for reasons, the reasons are often not hereditary but social (and that's not an excuse for the murderer, I would have shot the bastard myself, but it's the root of the probleem that we need to work on).

 

[regularcat]

By weakening you mean lowering the budget on the already overkill amount of weaponry and resources? You seem brainwashed. Did you get kidnapped and tortured by being forced to listen to NPR conservatives 24-7?

when it comes to war there is no such thing as overkill concerning weaponry and resources.

i am not brainwashed i'd rather be the superior than the inferior on any side of a war.

I'm not sure but I'm afraid that this "prepare for war" mentality during peace time won't be helping to pacify your citizens nor your enemies abroad. Especially if your government chooses to prefer the military budget and drone attacks in foreign countries, to solving social issues in your own homeland. While "American heroes" are armed and the "American way" is the highway to a supermarket, I'm not too optimistic about this issue. People lose their minds for reasons, the reasons are often not hereditary but social (and that's not an excuse for the murderer, I would have shot the bastard myself, but it's the root of the probleem that we need to work on).

you should always be prepared for the worst even during the best times because anything can happen at any point in time.

i would rather be ready than unprepared.

 

[Mandieta6]

at the age of 8, I shot a bird with airgun at a tree branch, just to see what happens.. you know, I was a kid and stupid, curious, bold, all at the same time..

the second after I shot the bird, I realized what I did.. what if she had baby birds, was that necessary? I never shot a bird again..

I saw that Simpsons episode.

 

[MaestroZidane]

Extreme pro-gun supporters main argument (like we saw with the NRA president), is that if there is one armed person, the gunman won't be able to kill as many people as he would if there wasn't any. So then it's okay to let everyone have a gun, and if someone starts shooting in a school with a rifle, let the teacher pull out his/her rifle and try and take him down. Now what if the gunman kills the teacher first? now he has another weapon he ca use. Of course, this scenario will be ignored because it's assumed that the gunman will be killed first, thus minimizing casualties. Seriously?

As mentioned before, why not just eliminate the ability to buy rifles all-together, limit one gun per household, and only handguns can be purchased. That would be a good start to this gun problem.

 

[Back Door Skip]

when it comes to war there is no such thing as overkill concerning weaponry and resources.

i am not brainwashed i'd rather be the superior than the inferior on any side of a war.



you should always be prepared for the worst even during the best times because anything can happen at any point in time.

i would rather be ready than unprepared.

At this point there seems to be more danger inside than outside. The biggest problem is unstable people having no restrictions on the weapons they can use, and easily shoot up innocent people.


If you're that concerned why don't you join the military?

 

[regularcat]

Extreme pro-gun supporters main argument (like we saw with the NRA president), is that if there is one armed person, the gunman won't be able to kill as many people as he would if there wasn't any. So then it's okay to let everyone have a gun, and if someone starts shooting in a school with a rifle, let the teacher pull out his/her rifle and try and take him down. Now what if the gunman kills the teacher first? now he has another weapon he ca use. Of course, this scenario will be ignored because it's assumed that the gunman will be killed first, thus minimizing casualties. Seriously?

As mentioned before, why not just eliminate the ability to buy rifles all-together, limit one gun per household, and only handguns can be purchased. That would be a good start to this gun problem.

because hunters in the united states can use rifles to hunt such as the ar-15 or a 30 ott 6.

the schools need metal detectors (my school had one at every entrance to it) and some form of security to keep them safe, the security does not have to be armed with a gun per say but at least a high voltage taser in case those types of situations occur.

if anything i feel any type of pistol, shotgun or rifle should be available for sale but more thorough standards of who can posses what type of weapon should be looked into, similar to the way a worker gets clearance to a certain area of a military base.

 

[regularcat]

At this point there seems to be more danger inside than outside. The biggest problem is unstable people having no restrictions on the weapons they can use, and easily shoot up innocent people.


If you're that concerned why don't you join the military?

because the military has all it needs, i would no doubt have no problem with protecting the people of my country or of other countries.

my issue with the military is they way the do their own in and out of the military.

their benefits are slack, their pay scales are ridiculous and they have a general lack of respect for their soldiers, to the military everyone is expendable.

i have a friend who was in iraq and was injured and was discharged, it is now 5 years later and he wants to rejoin because the economy is horrible and because he was hurt they will not take him back.

so basically it is alright to join the military to possibly be injured or killed but if you get injured and get discharged and attempt to come back they shut you out.

 

[Bobby]

You support raising taxes to pay for these metal detectors, stun guns, and staff? Like say, a 5000% gun tax and a 15000% bullet tax?

Make it an annual tax too, like a car or a house. You have to pay 15000% of value on every bullet you own every year.