Originally posted by Youri Bakker
Well said. Now the PES fans have to come with arguments, which they hardly have. They always tell you which things suck in FIFA but they never say what's so good about PES.
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90690
Enjoy.
I stopped reading the initial post when it submitted that FIFA players have "realistic player movement" and PES players do not. That statement indicates that we see reality fundamentally differently, and will inherently disagree; we are somehow operating under totally different stimuli, and that's okay.
It's good that folks like the initial poster have FIFA out there for them. I thank the Gaming Gods regularly that they saw fit to grant those wholly unsatisfied with the FIFA product in terms of gameplay AND disgusted with EA hegemony a real option that addresses most of their concerns. Regardless of one's advocacy for the FIFA product, one must still admit that the very presence of another product in the marketplace influenced the developmental thinking of people who THINK in terms OF the marketplace, e.g. the marketing arm of EA Canada (and, concomitantly, the FIFA series).
I mean, looking at the history of the FIFA product, with features added one year, taken away the next, and a clear - clear - lack of developmental continuity in anything except the gameplay engine that many players lament (not the initial poster, I understand that, but many others who, again, see reality totally differently than that person), you can't argue with any substance the notion that the EA Canada team has the same type of developmental vision as, say, the Tiburon team (Madden), or the team that develops NBA Live, or, to a lesser extent (but still more logical and consumer considerate than FIFA's development) the NHL series, can you? I don't think you can.
Now, examining the deveoopment of the Winning Eleven product, in nearly all its iterations, one can feel pretty comfortable in the THINKING that appears to be behind it (the efforts of all these companies to drive both profit and profit margin notwithstanding).
I can rationally engage the initial post, but I'll never understand it; like I said, as long as we've all got options, he can go his way, and I can go mine.
For me, though, there's no question as to which product is light years ahead in terms of gameplay, crowd reaction, intensity of experience (I've never felt such immediate denouement as when I've scored a goal on FIFA in recent years, as opposed to the incredible joy that comes from scoring on PES, for not only me, but the mates here as well...), awareness of the fundamentals not only of football play, but of football experience. PES3 and 4, for me, seem to be the industry's closest effort to reflecting both the football experience from the player and the fan/viewer perspective that the masses have ever seen.
Pro Evolution Soccer, for me, is exactly that; a professional evolution of the soccer gaming genre that deserves every single accolade we can heap upon it.
Not ironically, the entire gaming industry (and folks like Thierry Henry) seem to feel the same way.
I can tell you that having played what I've played, worked where I've worked, done what I've done, and gone to as many matches as I have, FIFA has (for me since the epiphany that was RTWC98) for a long time felt like playing AT football, while PES4 feels like playing football.
and I love my two strikers too, they're so good that they score almost 100% of the goal,) is now only $19.99, anyone wants to get it? 
I love you guys and we all love Football, soccer for americans.