Manchester United F.C Thread [2009/2010]

[Mandieta6]

Next year could be Berba's final year at ManU. Fergie won't sell him yet.

1. It'd be like admitting a huge failure, selling a record-breaking transfer (he was for an hour or so), and Fergie has too much pride for that
2. He won't get anywhere near as much as what he paid, and the financial situation, in general and United's, means he can't afford a bad investment. And if you can't afford to buy much, you will need him next season.
3. Can't see any smart manager wanting him right now. He's in such a bad state mentally, any manager would have to work hard to get him going.

If Berba has a good end to the season, which he was promising to do before Rooney got injured, I'd cut my losses and sell him for 20m, which you COULD, but probably won't, get.

Maybe Juventus will need to sell some of their players, meaning Diego could come to OT. But I really think you should go for a Premiership-proven player. Playmakers need to be accostumed to the pace of the league, and its physicality, moreso than other players.

 

[andremc11]

That was a good move IMO but he is a developing player and won't have an instant impact. He's 21 something so I'd expect that it'd take a few years before we get the most of him. He's also playing in a foreign league and language barrier will be an issue at first. I'd love it if we got a young but experienced striker (Dzeko, Suarez) and sell Berbatov.

The technical director at Wolfsburg said that Dzeko will only leave for 40m so that is unlikely unless the price is reduced by at least 20mil. I dont know why prices are so crazy now it's insane,I think there needs to be some sort of transfer arbitration board to oversee prices though,seriously.

With that said I would take any decently priced striker who has pace and a decent scoring record from a decent league.

I'm not a fan of Benayoun because he can't last the full 90 minutes. He's a great sub though but not worth investing in him + he plays for Liverpool lol. Luka Modric would be excellent. We need a player like him. But I'm sure Tottenham would be asking a ****load amount of money for him just like they did for Berbatov (30 millions when he was worth 14 at most) and Carrick (20 millions when he was worth 10 maybe).

Yea I am sick and tired of Spurs and their prices. Leave them with their players we really dont need any of them.

Benzema? NO please I wanted us to buy him last season but seeing his performances for Real Madrid, I think he's hugely overrated. And btw, his goalscoring rate is similar to Berbatov. 7 goals in 21 games or something like that. I don't think he'll be the answer to our problems. But he's 21 as well so he might become good. I've got mixed feelings about him. Paying 30+ millions for him would be a huge gamble.


Since our season is almost over, the only thing I would cheer now is seeing Liverpool get out of the Europa cup. lol

Benzema is actually a pacey player and a great finisher. Look at the replays of the goals he has scored. Also dont judge him in a season where he has been injured aswell as homesick. He needs time and I doubt he''ll be leaving Madrid.

We could try to get Pato though but Madrid also want him.

 

[andremc11]

Next year could be Berba's final year at ManU. Fergie won't sell him yet.

1. It'd be like admitting a huge failure, selling a record-breaking transfer (he was for an hour or so), and Fergie has too much pride for that
2. He won't get anywhere near as much as what he paid, and the financial situation, in general and United's, means he can't afford a bad investment. And if you can't afford to buy much, you will need him next season.
3. Can't see any smart manager wanting him right now. He's in such a bad state mentally, any manager would have to work hard to get him going.

If Berba has a good end to the season, which he was promising to do before Rooney got injured, I'd cut my losses and sell him for 20m, which you COULD, but probably won't, get.

Maybe Juventus will need to sell some of their players, meaning Diego could come to OT. But I really think you should go for a Premiership-proven player. Playmakers need to be accostumed to the pace of the league, and its physicality, moreso than other players.

Usually a move to a new country and new league after a bad experience jumpstarts/rejuvinates the player. If it will happen with him I really dont know. But I want to see him succeed somewhere it makes no sense keeping him here if hes not goin to make a meanigful contribution worth 30m or even 20m.

But your right about fergie and his pride but Berbatov has had two seasons and that is what other players got before they were sold, so we will see.

The guys on this forum who were saying wait till this to see the better Berbatov must be eating their can right now, sadly I dont remember who they were.

 

[newbie original]

Who would want him anyway?

They said something similar about Diego Forlan..........look how that turned out.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Next year could be Berba's final year at ManU. Fergie won't sell him yet.

1. It'd be like admitting a huge failure, selling a record-breaking transfer (he was for an hour or so), and Fergie has too much pride for that
2. He won't get anywhere near as much as what he paid, and the financial situation, in general and United's, means he can't afford a bad investment. And if you can't afford to buy much, you will need him next season.
3. Can't see any smart manager wanting him right now. He's in such a bad state mentally, any manager would have to work hard to get him going.

If Berba has a good end to the season, which he was promising to do before Rooney got injured, I'd cut my losses and sell him for 20m, which you COULD, but probably won't, get.

Maybe Juventus will need to sell some of their players, meaning Diego could come to OT. But I really think you should go for a Premiership-proven player. Playmakers need to be accostumed to the pace of the league, and its physicality, moreso than other players.

1. Fergie did that for Veron (record transfer: 30 millions as well). He sold him after 2 years only. But thats because we had a superb 15 millions offer from Chelsea. I don't think we'll get anywhere near that much though . I think Fergie will only sell him if he got a great offer as Veron's
2. Yeah budget is an issue at United. We can't afford expensive flops anymore.
3. Seriously, I'd be glad if we got 8 millions out of him We can't afford paying huge salaries for players like that. His goalscoring record has been good this season which might lure some managers I hope (12 goals in 29 or something)

The technical director at Wolfsburg said that Dzeko will only leave for 40m so that is unlikely unless the price is reduced by at least 20mil. I dont know why prices are so crazy now it's insane,I think there needs to be some sort of transfer arbitration board to oversee prices though,seriously.

40 is way too much. If we could get 20 millions out him, would be a good deal. He's young and has the potential of getting better.

Benzema is actually a pacey player and a great finisher. Look at the replays of the goals he has scored. Also dont judge him in a season where he has been injured aswell as homesick. He needs time and I doubt he''ll be leaving Madrid.

His performances for Real has been disappointing to say the least, but we all know that Real Madrid is not the place for young players. Maybe he'll develop better at United. Considering he's only 21, now I'm thinking it wouldn't be a bad investment.

We could try to get Pato though but Madrid also want him.

Pato would be great but would be expensive as well I'm sure. I think he'd link well with Rooney. Imagine Rooney as an advanced striker and Pato supporting him.

 

[Pogba4Now]

They said something similar about Diego Forlan..........look how that turned out.

There's a HUGE difference between these 2 lol. Forlan was 24 something and was still developing. Berbatov is past his best now. I can't see him improving. He's 29/30 -ish already.

 

[Pogba4Now]

The guys on this forum who were saying wait till this to see the better Berbatov must be eating their can right now, sadly I dont remember who they were.

lol I can remember and I was one of them backing Berbatov . I thought it was unfair bashing him for his scoring ability since he was played more as a "Trequartista role" and was second in the assist ranking with around 10-11 assists. It worked quite well even though this restricted his scoring ability. Our formation was more like that:

----------------------Rooney/Tevez-----------
--------Ronaldo-------------------------------
-----------------Berbatov---------------------
----------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------
---------Fletcher----Carrick-----Park----------

However, this season he played more as a striker and has been a disappointment. He scored 3 more goals that last season and much less assists than last season. Definitely not up to expectations.

 

[cfdemarco]

Imagine that, Rooney doesn't play and we can't score a goal, even against a garbage team. There's no point in saying I told you so...but, I told you so.

I've been saying it for God knows how long and I guess I'll say it again- a creative midfielder and a proven striker, top two priorities for this summer. SAF needs to STOP BEING CHEAP and spend the goddamn money the Glazers give him for players.

 

[andremc11]

lol I can remember and I was one of them backing Berbatov . I thought it was unfair bashing him for his scoring ability since he was played more as a "Trequartista role" and was second in the assist ranking with around 10-11 assists. It worked quite well even though this restricted his scoring ability. Our formation was more like that:

----------------------Rooney/Tevez-----------
--------Ronaldo-------------------------------
-----------------Berbatov---------------------
----------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------
---------Fletcher----Carrick-----Park----------

However, this season he played more as a striker and has been a disappointment. He scored 3 more goals that last season and much less assists than last season. Definitely not up to expectations.

You are a bigger man for admitting that,cheers.

 

[andremc11]

Imagine that, Rooney doesn't play and we can't score a goal, even against a garbage team. There's no point in saying I told you so...but, I told you so.

I've been saying it for God knows how long and I guess I'll say it again- a creative midfielder and a proven striker, top two priorities for this summer. SAF needs to STOP BEING CHEAP and spend the goddamn money the Glazers give him for players.

The more you write,the more i believe your a kid!! How on GOD 's green earth can FERGIE be cheap?!?! The same man that bought Forlan,Veron,Van Nistelrooy and Staam before the inflation set in,Give me a break. NOT BOWING TO EXORBITANT demands is not being cheap.

 

[cfdemarco]

The more you write,the more i believe your a kid!! How on GOD 's green earth can FERGIE be cheap?!?! The same man that bought Forlan,Veron,Van Nistelrooy and Staam before the inflation set in,Give me a break. NOT BOWING TO EXORBITANT demands is not being cheap.

What he did in transfer markets 10 years gone is not the issue at hand; the issue at hand is what he is doing NOW.

If he is handed a mountain of money from the Glazers it is not his goddamn problem to determine whether or not players are a little too expensive.

Have you heard the phrase 'do not look a gift-horse in the mouth'? If he is handed 100 million pounds all he should be worried about it getting the best players he can with that much money. So what if it takes all 100 million to bring in 2 or 3 players, if those players are the ones who will be the difference in winning the league or coming in 2nd next season then it was money well spent.

But he is going to be a cheap ass and try to bargain-buy while City and Chelsea shell out a fortune to bring the world's best players to those clubs. The gap between the traditional top 4 and the up and coming contenders like City, Aston Villa and Tottenham continues to shrink, and with City and Chelsea continuing to spend big it is going to get harder and harder for us to compete with them.

 

[Mandieta6]

You spent more than us last year. And I think the year before that, too.

 

[cfdemarco]

You spent more than us last year. And I think the year before that, too.

Who are you referring to by 'us'?

 

[ladylover]

Spending money doesn't guarantee succes

 

[Mandieta6]

Who are you referring to by 'us'?

Chelsea F.C

 

[Help?]

Ferguson broke a transfer record a number of times in the past years, so I don't think he is being cheap at all. Common sense tells me that the Glazers told him to forget about spending lots of money. Just because they told the press that we have 80 million pound credit limit to spend on players doesn't mean anything. A credit limit is one of the most expensive types of loans you can get out there for that kind of money and no smart owner of a private corporation would agree to do it. Glazers are not football fans, they want to get in, get as much money out of the business as possible and eventually get out. What investor in their right mind will lever themselves up to get in and then lever some more to sustain the business?

 

[Pogba4Now]

You spent more than us last year. And I think the year before that, too.

Thats because you guys had already spent a sh*tload amount of money in previous years. You guys have depth already from previous buys and didn't need anymore additions. And what about us? Our transfers has been negative since the Glazers came meaning we have sold more than we have spent.

If he is handed 100 million pounds all he should be worried about it getting the best players he can with that much money. So what if it takes all 100 million to bring in 2 or 3 players, if those players are the ones who will be the difference in winning the league or coming in 2nd next season then it was money well spent.

How do you know he's been handed 100 millions? These are rumours. Ferguson NEVER hesitated in the past in buying players BEFORE Glazers came. How many times has Fergie broken british records? Berbatov, Ferdinand and Veron were all 30+ millions for instance.

 

[Mandieta6]

You've also been overseen by the same manager for 2 decades, in which you broke many transfer records. Basically, selling more than buying is offset by producing good talent. Don't complain about depth. If the right decisions were made, you'd have depth. If your interpretation is that you have none it's because bad decisions were made in the market, not the Glazer's fault.

I don't think Fergie wants to spend millions on players when his academy has produced some of the best talent in Britain. I wouldn't be surprised if he was prepared to let the silverware river run dry for a few years as the talent matures s the finances can improve, instead of forcibly pay huge sums for short-term success. If you're in a bad state financially, don't encourage mass expenditure. You'll just suffer in the end.

 

[Pogba4Now]

You've also been overseen by the same manager for 2 decades, in which you broke many transfer records. Basically, selling more than buying is offset by producing good talent. Don't complain about depth. If the right decisions were made, you'd have depth. If your interpretation is that you have none it's because bad decisions were made in the market, not the Glazer's fault.

Come on, the amount we spent pales in comparison to what you guys have bought over the years. I'm not complaining or anything, was just comparing the 2 clubs. We might have broken records here and there, but in general I'm pretty sure you guys have invested much more in the past 7 years. I guess it comes to the managers' philosophy. Chelsea has been investing more on experienced worldclass players which cost more, whereas Fergie prefers investing on younger unproven players. Both approaches are good, but it takes longer years for Fergie's approach to pay off.

I don't think Fergie wants to spend millions on players when his academy has produced some of the best talent in Britain. I wouldn't be surprised if he was prepared to let the silverware river run dry for a few years as the talent matures s the finances can improve, instead of forcibly pay huge sums for short-term success. If you're in a bad state financially, don't encourage mass expenditure. You'll just suffer in the end.

Agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened as well. Fergie would rather invest in younger players who would probably play a good decade for us rather than a worldclass player who would probably play for 2-3 years at his best. With the club in debt, he should think twice in each and every transfers.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Glazers are not football fans, they want to get in, get as much money out of the business as possible and eventually get out. What investor in their right mind will lever themselves up to get in and then lever some more to sustain the business?

They are football fans, and they have no absolutely no interest in getting in and getting out. They've been offered ridiculous amounts of money for the club and always say no.