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Help?;2576741 said:
Bloody hell Help, you're getting to sound like a fan boy with tunnel vision lately mate. You used to see things a little more objectively. Maybe you're on your period, i dunno.
Samuel actually nicked the ball very cleanly, and Ronaldo blatently left his leg in there as he dived forward. He actually dives before his boot makes contact with Samuels right leg. Just because the slimeball never asked for a penalty doesn't mean that he never dived for it.
Give us a break mate, you know what really happened, and I can't believe you are defending the same <unt that crapped all over you and your club during the summer.
All I can say is he, and you Man U fans with very short memories deserve each other mate. No scruples, no morals and no sportsmanship. That's pretty much Man United in a nutshell from what I've seen so far this season.
thetrooper37
Senior Squad
^yawn...
pede54;2576832 said:
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1607016/
Scroll to 4:20, Samuel's trailing foot chops Ronaldo's calf. And it doesn't matter how he treats United, on the day he is a player playing for United and the incidents in question have nothing to do with him representing the club. If it was Park, Nani, Scholes or anybody else, who was denied numerous clear-cut penalties and then given a soft one yesterday i would have said the exact same thing. Shouldn't have been a penalty, but it doesn't look like a dive either. Maybe Ronaldo is so amazing at them now that its impossible to tell, but i give a benefit of the doubt to everybody no matter whether they play for United, Liverpool, Chelsea or City.
nah, it was a dive. come on, even Fergie thinks so.
thetrooper37
Senior Squad
farmboy;2576852 said:
you fail at reading comprehension.
whenever ronaldo goes down and wins a penalty ...it becomes the biggest headline in the country and will be talked about forever. That wasnt a dive @ all... as HELP pointed out...the trailing leg of samuel knocks ronaldo down.
If anyone should be dissed its the bloody ref robby styles and not ronaldo.
If anyone should be dissed its the bloody ref robby styles and not ronaldo.
sparebenzs
Club Supporter
rhizome17;2576213 said:Haha Mikey, I hang around this thread to get a laugh each day, with Man United fans like these I am guaranteed a good old chuckle!
Haha, asking in here to find out the league standing!
Google mate, google!
i know that.. dont laugh at me.. all i want is for u guys to answer taht simple question.. not making jokes in it.. I am a United Fan, but a guy like u, dont deserve that kind of attitude..
Jaboldinho
Fan Favourite
pede54;2576832 said:
I'm neither a ManU-fan, nor a -hater, not a CR-fan or -hater.
My opinion of the situation:
Samuel tackled him very cleanly, getting the ball first nicely. Actually, a very brave tackle, many don't have the guts to make those in the penalty area. After getting the ball, there was a contact with Ronaldo's leg, he went down.
He looked at the defender with "I'm sorry" written on his face. It could be an act, but to me, it was a clean challenge (people do fall down on them too, you know?), with a stumble, which the ref saw completely wrong and made a horrendious call. To me, Cris still didn't dive. With not celebrating the goal, he showed some respect to the opponent, whose match got a nasty, undeserved turn.
That's just my two cents.
Moreira_Benfica
Senior Squad
pede54;2576720 said:
might wanna give that a read http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=887559
Yeah, Ronaldo felt so bad about it that he decided to slam the ball into the back of the net. He could have put it wide or high, if he actually had any bad feelings about it.
I've seen it done before, so he wouldn't have been the first to do it. That would have really changed peoples perception of him, but instead he decided to make it count. That's his choice of course and he did no more than confirm what most of us already think of him.
Like I said, a total lack of sportsmanship, scruples and morals. All that matters to United is the goal, and they or you, don't care if they get them by fair means or not.
I've seen it done before, so he wouldn't have been the first to do it. That would have really changed peoples perception of him, but instead he decided to make it count. That's his choice of course and he did no more than confirm what most of us already think of him.
Like I said, a total lack of sportsmanship, scruples and morals. All that matters to United is the goal, and they or you, don't care if they get them by fair means or not.
Awh some people go on with such bull!! Do yous not beleive in win at all costs (within the rules).Imagine he did he did just kick it wide then we lost.....papers next day ronaldos heart is in Spain,,he didnt go celebrate he didnt wipe it in their face. End of story
stop moanin please! Goin on about morales ha
stop moanin please! Goin on about morales ha
what is up with all the discussion about Ronaldo and the penalty??
A team getting a cheap penalty by a moron ref and still put it in the net. it has happened before and will happen again! remember Ronaldinho do the same last season if i remember correct!
for me, i would not have cryed my eyes out if Ronaldo put the ball 20ft over the bar,but he did not and that wouldn't any player at chelsea eighter
A team getting a cheap penalty by a moron ref and still put it in the net. it has happened before and will happen again! remember Ronaldinho do the same last season if i remember correct!
for me, i would not have cryed my eyes out if Ronaldo put the ball 20ft over the bar,but he did not and that wouldn't any player at chelsea eighter
AsmodaiPlay
Reserve Team
Don't think it was a penalty but it wasn't a dive either. Samuel stopped the ball fairly enough, but with Ronaldo still running his momentum probably took him over the ball and caused him to fall over. Besides talking of divers i thought Drogba had that reputation not so long ago?
pede54;2576832 said:
Jeez Pede. Whenever United player do "something wrong" you attack them which is fine by me but you always finish it off by attacking United and the fans. Everytime without fail. The discussion here is whether or not Ronaldo dived.
Anyway its funny how you say all that like as if Chelsea are innocent. Chelsea, sportmanship? Please. Its like calling Arsenal cheaters because of Eboue diving when you have a player who does the same thing be it Drogba, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Robben. ..and No Ronaldo did not dive.
OK let me explain sportsmanship to you, seeing as you obviously do not know the meaning of the word. I can give you 2 examples I remember from fairly recent memory.
Paulo DeCanio when playing for West Ham recieved the ball from the wing, and was in a goalscoring position, when he noticed that the opposing GK was flat on the ground having been injured in a goalmouth scuffle seconds before. When the pass came to DeCanio he didn't shoot at goal as everyone expected him to. Instead he picked up the ball, looked to the ref and told him that the GK needed attention.
He had an open goal IF he would have chosen to go for it but he didn't. He stopped the game for the sake of the opposing GK.
A few years ago in an FA Cup game ( I can't remember the teams involved), one team was given a goal when actually the ball went under the side netting before coming to rest in the goal mouth. The team that was awarded the goal insisted to the ref that the goal should not have stood, but the ref had already given it and couldn't change his mind.
The 2 teams had a short chat in the center circle, and the team who were now 1-0 down kicked off the game again. Suddenly all the opposing players parted like the Red Sea, and allowed the losing team to run towards the goal, where the GK made no effort to save the equaliser.
That is sportsmanship. It does happen, and it probably happens a lot more than we hear about.
For a player to be able to demonstrate sportsmanship in the heat of the game, he is required to have integrity, honesty, a sense of fair play and scruples.
Those are 4 attributes that seem to have gone missing from our game of late, and the reason that Ronaldo still popped in his goal was because he does not possess any one of those attributes, and the reason why you guys think that sportsmanship is for mugs, or in Help's words is "Childish", is because you, like your club, do not posses any of those attributes either, at least where sport is concerned.
You believe in win at all costs, and you really don't care how that win is accomplished. We have seen enough of United over the last few seasons to recognise how cynical and nasty the team can be in their desperation to win.
If a team were good enough, they wouldn't need to rely so much on winning games by underhand means. They would be good enough to win without that. Man U obviously is not that team.
AsmodaiPlay. I've always been Drogba's biggest critic when it comes to cheating, as I was with Robben and any other Chelsea player who disgraced my club by diving. It's all there in the Chelsea thread if you wanna take a look.
I have never condoned unsporting behaviour at any time or from any team, including my own. It brings disgrace to the club. End of.
The thing is this. We as fans are not responsible for what any player who plays for our club does. I always hope that they will act in a way that honours the club, and not in a way that will bring disgrace upon it. When a Chelsea player does not live up to that for whatever reason, I will not simply ignore it and support the player just because he plays for Chelsea.
I can't tell that player how to behave, that's the clubs job, but one thing is for sure, you will never hear me defend anti sporting behaviour from my team or any other team.
Integrity, Honesty, Fair play and scruples.
Even if our players do not understand the concept of that any more, we as fans should still be able to demonstrate those attributes. Thats if you had them to begin with of course.
Now I'm gonna drop this because I really don't think there are that many Man U fans in here, who are actually interested or indeed even understand WTF I am talking about.
You can have your thread back. Cheers.
Paulo DeCanio when playing for West Ham recieved the ball from the wing, and was in a goalscoring position, when he noticed that the opposing GK was flat on the ground having been injured in a goalmouth scuffle seconds before. When the pass came to DeCanio he didn't shoot at goal as everyone expected him to. Instead he picked up the ball, looked to the ref and told him that the GK needed attention.
He had an open goal IF he would have chosen to go for it but he didn't. He stopped the game for the sake of the opposing GK.
A few years ago in an FA Cup game ( I can't remember the teams involved), one team was given a goal when actually the ball went under the side netting before coming to rest in the goal mouth. The team that was awarded the goal insisted to the ref that the goal should not have stood, but the ref had already given it and couldn't change his mind.
The 2 teams had a short chat in the center circle, and the team who were now 1-0 down kicked off the game again. Suddenly all the opposing players parted like the Red Sea, and allowed the losing team to run towards the goal, where the GK made no effort to save the equaliser.
That is sportsmanship. It does happen, and it probably happens a lot more than we hear about.
For a player to be able to demonstrate sportsmanship in the heat of the game, he is required to have integrity, honesty, a sense of fair play and scruples.
Those are 4 attributes that seem to have gone missing from our game of late, and the reason that Ronaldo still popped in his goal was because he does not possess any one of those attributes, and the reason why you guys think that sportsmanship is for mugs, or in Help's words is "Childish", is because you, like your club, do not posses any of those attributes either, at least where sport is concerned.
You believe in win at all costs, and you really don't care how that win is accomplished. We have seen enough of United over the last few seasons to recognise how cynical and nasty the team can be in their desperation to win.
If a team were good enough, they wouldn't need to rely so much on winning games by underhand means. They would be good enough to win without that. Man U obviously is not that team.
AsmodaiPlay. I've always been Drogba's biggest critic when it comes to cheating, as I was with Robben and any other Chelsea player who disgraced my club by diving. It's all there in the Chelsea thread if you wanna take a look.
I have never condoned unsporting behaviour at any time or from any team, including my own. It brings disgrace to the club. End of.
The thing is this. We as fans are not responsible for what any player who plays for our club does. I always hope that they will act in a way that honours the club, and not in a way that will bring disgrace upon it. When a Chelsea player does not live up to that for whatever reason, I will not simply ignore it and support the player just because he plays for Chelsea.
I can't tell that player how to behave, that's the clubs job, but one thing is for sure, you will never hear me defend anti sporting behaviour from my team or any other team.
Integrity, Honesty, Fair play and scruples.
Even if our players do not understand the concept of that any more, we as fans should still be able to demonstrate those attributes. Thats if you had them to begin with of course.
Now I'm gonna drop this because I really don't think there are that many Man U fans in here, who are actually interested or indeed even understand WTF I am talking about.
You can have your thread back. Cheers.
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