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[P+R] Croatia vs. England

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
Same old problem!

We are not a good team. We have good players, some even great but they never ******* get it together as a team. Croatia on the other hand are a perfect example of how a team plays.

All of those bastards need a good kick up the arse. We could have selected an XI of league 2 players and faired better than that.

I blame the FA for letting O'Neill slip through their fingers. He would have had us playing as a team....
 

pede54

Team Captain
hahahahahahahahahhaa............Croatia were crap.....we were worse. That sums it up matey. Don't get too carried away. Your team are still s.h.i.t, but NOT as sh.i.t as ours. :ewan:

Anyway...TA......14 England players ALL playing like crap has got to be down to more than individuals under performing. For an entire team to play like that, and show the total lack of committment, concentration and guile that we have a right to expect to see from England, MUST be down to the head coach. The blame lies squarely with McClaren. He is out of his depth for sure. TBH I always thought he was out of his depth at Boro too. Now we have a boring and uninventive "old school" Englishman in charge. Now we are getting what we all predicted on McClarens appointment. Did anyone think the end result would be different? I don't think so.

Too much has passed between the players and McClaren over the years, when he was Svens number 2. Not all of it good either. The players generally dislike him and his opinions. They do not respect him as a manager at all. He resented Svens relationship with Beckham too, and that is the only reason that McClaren will not recall Beckham. He was wrong about Beckham. To pick someone like Richardson or Downing, when neither are good enough for International duty, is a huge insight into McClarens poor judgement when it comes to players. Beckham would have at least given us back some of the passion for the game that has been missing for England since the day he was left out the team. McClaren is a tosser and the FA need to sack him before he completely fu<ks it all up.

I suppose McClaren will blame it on the players though and I suppose the media and the FA will support him on that one. Hopefully he will be shown in the media as the type of pratt that we all know he is.
 

sip

Youth Team
pede54 said:
hahahahahahahahahhaa............Croatia were crap.....we were worse. That sums it up matey. Don't get too carried away. Your team are still s.h.i.t, but NOT as sh.i.t as ours. :ewan:

Noone is getting carried away. Im well aware of Croatia's capabilities and how frustrating a side they can be. In saying that though im proud of what they did today, sure England played poor but they are still hard to score against and thankfully we did just that.

As for England they seriously need to get rid of Mclaren. He is a boring, unimaginative coach who is not good enough to be coaching at the highest level.. The sooner England get rid of him the better.

:ewan:
 

pede54

Team Captain
sip said:
Noone is getting carried away. Im well aware of Croatia's capabilities and how frustrating a side they can be. In saying that though im proud of what they did today, sure England played poor but they are still hard to score against and thankfully we did just that.

As for England they seriously need to get rid of Mclaren. He is a boring, unimaginative coach who is not good enough to be coaching at the highest level.. The sooner England get rid of him the better.

:ewan:


agree with you completely old boy....... :ewan:
 

MaestroZidane

YELLOW CARD: Untrustworthy
pede54 said:
hahahahahahahahahhaa............Croatia were crap.....we were worse. That sums it up matey. Don't get too carried away. Your team are still s.h.i.t, but NOT as sh.i.t as ours. :ewan:

Anyway...TA......14 England players ALL playing like crap has got to be down to more than individuals under performing. For an entire team to play like that, and show the total lack of committment, concentration and guile that we have a right to expect to see from England, MUST be down to the head coach. The blame lies squarely with McClaren. He is out of his depth for sure. TBH I always thought he was out of his depth at Boro too. Now we have a boring and uninventive "old school" Englishman in charge. Now we are getting what we all predicted on McClarens appointment. Did anyone think the end result would be different? I don't think so.

Too much has passed between the players and McClaren over the years, when he was Svens number 2. Not all of it good either. The players generally dislike him and his opinions. They do not respect him as a manager at all. He resented Svens relationship with Beckham too, and that is the only reason that McClaren will not recall Beckham. He was wrong about Beckham. To pick someone like Richardson or Downing, when neither are good enough for International duty, is a huge insight into McClarens poor judgement when it comes to players. Beckham would have at least given us back some of the passion for the game that has been missing for England since the day he was left out the team. McClaren is a tosser and the FA need to sack him before he completely fu<ks it all up.

I suppose McClaren will blame it on the players though and I suppose the media and the FA will support him on that one. Hopefully he will be shown in the media as the type of pratt that we all know he is.

Hit the nail right on the head. Always posting comments that are spot on pede54
 

pede54

Team Captain
cheers man.....

here what Sporting Life say about tonight. Got it about right did Frank Malley

SHAMBOLIC ENGLAND PAY THE PRICE
By Frank Malley, PA Chief Sports Writer

Embarrassing is not the word for England's 2-0 defeat against Croatia.
Humiliating is nearer. But perhaps shambolic sums it up best of all.
And not just because goalkeeper Paul Robinson made a complete hash of a back pass from Gary Neville to gift Croatia their second goal with a right-foot slash which was not unlike the air shot of a hacker on the first tee on a Saturday morning.

England fans squirmed at that catastrophe. But that was a fluke, the ball taking a dreadful bobble over Robinson's foot as he attempted to clear.

It was manager Steve McClaren, however, who deserved to be squirming as he sat in the England dug-out and watched his 3-5-2 gamble backfire in front of his eyes.
European Championship qualifiers are no place to experiment. That was something even Sven-Goran Eriksson understood.
It is something McClaren, whose tinkering has been not dissimilar to a schoolboy with a new chemistry set in the past few weeks, has learned to his cost.

Welcome to the real world, Steve. The world where the England manager is responsible for results and in which he has to be able to justify his selections.
It will take all his powers of public relation to explain away this defeat.

'Stand up and be counted', had been the rallying call from England captain John Terry following the disappointment of the goalless draw against Macedonia at Old Trafford.

'Pride, passion, attitude, character', had been the demand from McClaren.
The fact is this defeat had nothing to do with work ethic. Everything to do with McClaren's meddling.

McClaren had insisted the 3-5-2 formation would allow his team to move the ball with more fluidity from back to front.
The need for that was understandable after his team had squandered possession so readily at Old Trafford on Saturday.
But football systems only work if they create balance and confidence. And that could not be said for England's performance against Croatia.

Instead, McClaren's 3-5-2 created uncertainty and, at times, downright panic at the back.
Gary Neville, so accustomed to the favoured back four at Manchester United and a defender renowned for his composure, looked like a man not entirely at ease with the wing back role.

Jamie Carragher too often demonstrated why he is not the most precise distributor in the world.
Even the normally rock-solid Terry struggled, exposed too often out wide on the edge of the central three when his worth to England is surely as a guardian of the six-yard box.

Defensively the new system was a hotch-potch. And ultimately that is down to the manager.
McClaren had insisted it was not a gamble. He maintained it had been practised sufficiently and that world-class players should be able to slot into any formation.
Essentially that is right. But even top professionals have comfort zones and too many of McClaren's team looked distinctly uncomfortable.

It should be said that Croatia are a fine side, a step up in class from Macedonia.

But when their opening goal came it was again down to confusion in England's defence, the cross coming over and Eduardo da Silva getting between Ashley Cole and Terry to loop the header over Robinson.

And, if we are honest, Croatia could have scored four or five as the England belief evaporated.

There is the rub. England were well beaten. Dumped by a side to whom they should have paid more respect than arrive in experimental mode.

McClaren must take a huge share of the blame for that and now has five months to fret before the next competitive fixture.

Come to think, embarrassing does sum it up after all
 

Filipower

Bunburyist
so why is Alonso moving there next season?


OH MY GOD that was lame..




but yeah, Sven wasn't so bad, although you guys have to give a bit more time to Maclaren..
 

Moreira_Benfica

Senior Squad
just saw the highlights wow, robinson pulled so many saves and then....

even borat knew the 2nd goal was funny

 

Internazionale

Elo Ratings
McClaren's woe continues...

This could be a hard road for England to qualify.

Croatia are still unbeaten in their home-qualifying matches.
 


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