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The Bundesliga Thread
- Thread starter Mandieta6
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So, I'm digging the team Wolfsburg is assembling:
Olic (Dost)
De Bruyne (Perisic) - Hunt (Vierinha) - Arnold (Caligiuri)
Medojevic - Gustavo
Rodriguez - Naldo - Knoche (Klose) - Jung
Benaglio
An MC and an ST (and if there's money another CB since Klose hasn't had much impact) and maaaaybe another attacker (I'm not a fan of Benaglio so would enjoy seing Zieler, Ulreich or Trapp challenge him but they have much bigger holes to fix). I wonder if they can get Ya Konan or Ibrahima Traoré. Per Nilsson would work as a stopgag from Nurenberg. Considering how cheaply they got Hunt and Jung and how cheaply those signings would be, getting a more expensive MC like Badelj, Baier, Geis, Rode, Gentner, Rudy.
Still waiting to see who's gonna get Kiyotake, fingers crossed for BVB.
Olic (Dost)
De Bruyne (Perisic) - Hunt (Vierinha) - Arnold (Caligiuri)
Medojevic - Gustavo
Rodriguez - Naldo - Knoche (Klose) - Jung
Benaglio
An MC and an ST (and if there's money another CB since Klose hasn't had much impact) and maaaaybe another attacker (I'm not a fan of Benaglio so would enjoy seing Zieler, Ulreich or Trapp challenge him but they have much bigger holes to fix). I wonder if they can get Ya Konan or Ibrahima Traoré. Per Nilsson would work as a stopgag from Nurenberg. Considering how cheaply they got Hunt and Jung and how cheaply those signings would be, getting a more expensive MC like Badelj, Baier, Geis, Rode, Gentner, Rudy.
Still waiting to see who's gonna get Kiyotake, fingers crossed for BVB.
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They need a new striker in the worst way, and Hunt isn't at the level a lot of the other players are.
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They have so much money. Geis and Okazaki would probably be somewhat cheap too.
Mandieta6;3679213 said:
Nah I think the team would look totally different. What's right is they need a new striker! And maybe a new CM (as Medojevic is crap and Polak left).
Why a second GK? Benaglio's one of their most constant players and brings good stuff every season. If it wasn't him, they'd be on 8-10th place. He's their captain, too. So it's very very unlikely that he will be replaced. And also, for me, makes no sense
(It would be another question, if they sign a talented GK around 19-21 to be a future GK, someone like Schwolow)About the midfield, Medojevic is not gonna be their first option. It surely has to be the huge talent Malanda. And if not him, then it's gonna be Trasch, although he's not my favourite. Furthermore, Kevin and Arnold can also play there, too.
Speaking about them, I don't think they will play with 2 CAM on both wings. Either Perisic or Vieirinha will be a starting member (Vierinha as CAM???
).I suppose it's gonna look like this: Perisic/Hunt - KDB(Hunt) - Vieririnha/Arnold. Caligiuri is most probably leaving.
Ibrahima Traore is going to Gladbach, he would not help WOB anyways. Ya Konan would be an ok addition, but only for the ST position. Rode goes to Bayern, so he's also out of consideration. Badelj is gonna stay with HSV as they are planning a rebuilding to be on upper position on the league again.
Nilsson would be a good additions as central defender number 4, but does he want to play that role, instead being a imminent player in Nurnberg?
Dortmund will never sign Kiyotake. They already told that no CAM will be signed (they said that there's even no place for Kagawa right now). Also they have Ji, who is much better suited to BVB as a Mkhitaryan/Reus backup than Kiyotake, whose playing style doesn't suit Dortmund.
aeh1991;3681543 said:Nah I think the team would look totally different. What's right is they need a new striker! And maybe a new CM (as Medojevic is crap and Polak left).
Why a second GK? Benaglio's one of their most constant players and brings good stuff every season. If it wasn't him, they'd be on 8-10th place. He's their captain, too. So it's very very unlikely that he will be replaced. And also, for me, makes no sense
About the midfield, Medojevic is not gonna be their first option. It surely has to be the huge talent Malanda. And if not him, then it's gonna be Trasch, although he's not my favourite. Furthermore, Kevin and Arnold can also play there, too.
Speaking about them, I don't think they will play with 2 CAM on both wings. Either Perisic or Vieirinha will be a starting member (Vierinha as CAM???
I suppose it's gonna look like this: Perisic/Hunt - KDB(Hunt) - Vieririnha/Arnold. Caligiuri is most probably leaving.
Ibrahima Traore is going to Gladbach, he would not help WOB anyways. Ya Konan would be an ok addition, but only for the ST position. Rode goes to Bayern, so he's also out of consideration. Badelj is gonna stay with HSV as they are planning a rebuilding to be on upper position on the league again.
Nilsson would be a good additions as central defender number 4, but does he want to play that role, instead being a imminent player in Nurnberg?
Dortmund will never sign Kiyotake. They already told that no CAM will be signed (they said that there's even no place for Kagawa right now). Also they have Ji, who is much better suited to BVB as a Mkhitaryan/Reus backup than Kiyotake, whose playing style doesn't suit Dortmund.
I didn't mean a second GK, I just meant replacing GK. Like I said, it's not because he's not good, it's just because I'm not a fan. I would like to see someone like Trapp or Zieler there but it ultimately won't change much in terms of quality.
KDB can't play deep midfield, at least not well. I definitely think they need a CM. Regarding Nilsson, I dunno, he's old now and if I were him I would rather move to a CL challenger that pays more and with whom I might get considerable minutes than being a sure starter at the second division.
I just put that to slot Vierinha in there. I remember there are two Caligiuris in the league, one of which was good but I can never remember which one. I dunno if they would or wouldn't, but to me, KDB-Hunt-Arnold looks stronger than replacing any of them with Perisic.
Why don't BVB want to sign an AMC? It doesn't seem like they have that much depth, it's what, Reus, Mikky and Jojic, with Reus playing across the band and Jojic still young? Even if he doesn't fit the scheme, Kiyotake is very good and would add depth, he'd add something different. But if they don't want him I'm sure someone else will.
Mandieta6;3681808 said:
But it's a terrible formation if you have Arnold and Hunt who are not creative, more like finisher, at the same time. KDB is the only one playmaker they have and he surely must be played as CAM. And on either left or right, there has to be at least one player who can cross and give some assists. And for that, in my opinion a fit Vieirinha is the best solution. If he's injured, which is often the case, Perisic can play that, too. Look at how he improved since he had a bad time for a long time in Wolfsburg. Now, he is a very important player for Wolfsburg. They will surely rotate, as sometimes Arnold or Hunt will play CAM and De Bruyne goes to the left/right side. But their starting eleven will be with KDB as CAM I think, and as Hunt can't play on the wings properly, he will most probably benched, unless he improves a lot. Arnold on the other side can play as CM, he played it quite often this season since KDB arrived.
If Dortmund manager Zorc says that they don't need a CAM, then he means it. Look at their attacking midfield: Reus, Kuba, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang, Hofmann, Ji, Jojic, Grosskreutz, Gündogan. They have 9 players for 3 positions (though Grosskreutz, Gündogan and probably Jojic only in emergency cases as they have other natural positions now). In the attack they have Immobile who is gonna be a 75% starting member, as well as Ramos, Ji, Duksch, Schieber (who should leave). I could imagine Dortmund switching from 4-2-3-1 to 4-4-2 in some games or situations for having other options. In that case, a CAM wouldn't even be used. Kiyotake has talent, but he had a bad season in Nurnberg and is very expensive (plus 7 Mio Euro), so I don't know which Bundesliga team would want him. I doubt any team would spend so much for him. I see him going to the BPL to a mid- or lowtable club.
Is Kiyotake expensive? 7m sounds cheap to me, maybe because I'm used to Prem transfers where Darren Bent costs 3 times that.
Perisic has improved but I don't see how he's any better than Hunt, who is actually more creative than he is. Hunt and KDB worked well at Bremen last season, too.
Perisic has improved but I don't see how he's any better than Hunt, who is actually more creative than he is. Hunt and KDB worked well at Bremen last season, too.
Mandieta6;3681925 said:
No, Hunt looked only good because the game was based on him and the other offensive players from Bremen were quite average besides maybe Di Santo.
Hunt is more like shadow striker, than a playmaker or winger.
7 Mio is a huge amount for Bundesliga clubs that have like max.10 Mio per season available. It's better to spend a few 2-3 Mio players than one 7-10 Mio player. Outstanding players such as Stocker who went to Hertha for 6 Mio are exceptions, but Kiyotake had not a good season.
The only teams that could afford him would be Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke, Wolfsburg and Gladbach who all dont need him. As well as Bayer Leverkusen (maybe possible, but dont think so) and Hoffenheim (most likely out of these).
Teams who could need him, like Stuttgart, Bremen or HSV don't have money.
There was a rumor of Aston Villa interested in Kiyotake, which could be a destination, now that he is in league 2. And the money Villa would pay for him, Nurnberg could use to rebuild a big team to come back, as Koln did last year. And depending on how Kiyotake performs at the WC, his price could even rise higher.
Within Bundesliga, I think Hoffenheim could be the most possible destination, but they said that Volland and Firmino will stay, so there would be no place for Kiyo there at the moment.
I don't like him neither. On one hand, he rescued Bremen a few times from losing, with individual skills and important goals. On the other hand, now that he's gone I think Werder will be more fluently in attacking and more unpredictable. Let's see what role he gets in Wolfsburg. I just hope KDB stays as CAM, because he is fantastic!
Yes, I will look more often here.
I watch Bundesliga every week, so I am quite up-to-date
Most importantly, I know sometimes things, that can be mistaken by stats. Like Kiyotake who's had 8 assists this season and still was shite :P
But KDB is still best as CAM, look at the friendlie Belgium vs Sweden. De Bruyne rocked that game. He'd be even better than Hazard if Chelsea gave him the same chance, I personally believe. For me, it was a mistake to let him leave, as they are probably doing the same with Lukaku (according to rumours, he's joining de Bruyne in Wolfsburg as well
)
I watch Bundesliga every week, so I am quite up-to-date
Most importantly, I know sometimes things, that can be mistaken by stats. Like Kiyotake who's had 8 assists this season and still was shite :P
But KDB is still best as CAM, look at the friendlie Belgium vs Sweden. De Bruyne rocked that game. He'd be even better than Hazard if Chelsea gave him the same chance, I personally believe. For me, it was a mistake to let him leave, as they are probably doing the same with Lukaku (according to rumours, he's joining de Bruyne in Wolfsburg as well
)