Time to apogize to Malcolm Glazer

[ShiftyPowers]

And you say they signed A, B, C, etc.....well what about the ones that got away...Robben (Park is NOT going to take over for Giggs), Mikel, Ballack (now they've got to get the guy from your club in Germany) and oh yes, oh yes....Michael Essien. A choice of two guys, Ballack and Essien, to take over for Roy Keane and BOTH slipped through their fingers due to......well, INSUFFICIENT funds clearly. If they had enough to match Chelsea's offers, they MIGHT have had them. It's not all been roses in the transfer market you know.....

Excuse me? Robben joined Chelsea before Glazer got there, Mikel hasn't done anything yet, Ballack is too old and I would rather have Hargreaves now. And frankly, Robben seems on his way out of Chelsea right now, so why don't they go after him now? And Essien is a horrible example because Lyon did NOT want to sell him. Chelsea payed way too much money for him and no club in the world could have matched what Lyon was asking for him. Essien certainly didn't "get away" from United.

But the truth remains until just now, so damn soon as you say, Man U were not at the top of England, and they weren't really close. Why would a star take the 3rd or 4th Best team in England over the top team AND settle for less money (because Chelsea can obviously top any one else's offered wages)? They wouldn't. No one "got away" in the Glazer era, at least no one that you have mentioned.

 

[newbie original]

I;m sure Chelsea fans would agree that Essien is worth the s**t, and sure Ballack is a bit older, but in the "RIGHT NOW", he may have been enough to get past Milan this year. They were eaten up by Kaka in every which way.

It WAS the right time to buy the club, but I can't think of any club that could be smiling at the future with nearly a billion pounds worth of debt staring them in the face.

He was either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid, and I won't lean in either direction until after examining the trophy cabinet when the debt has just been paid off FULLY.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Every club has debt. Are you going to wait and see if Bayern building the Alianz Arena was a good idea until it is paid off? Ballack has not played to expectations this year, and I legitimately don't think he would have been better than Scholes and Carrick this season. At Bayern he scored a lot of nice headers, but the team never played as well with him in the lineup, and he skies about a hundred shots over the bar from the 18 every game. The extent to which we were sad to see him leave was that he was the face of the team, and there was no replacement.

 

[untouchable]

The least all you glory hunters could do was thank the man! It's obvious Manchester United fans aren't exactly the smartest.

The level of stupidity on this board is alarming. You're a Juventus fan, you have no say in anything cause you're team is corruption incarnate. Be quiet.

 

[Hopeunited]

The least all you glory hunters could do was thank the man! It's obvious Manchester United fans aren't exactly the smartest.

Your "argument" defines noobism.

Why don't you thank your beloved George Bush too, for whatever he has done. After all, he is also American, sort of like Glazer.

 

[Run DMB]

Glad to see we're all in agreement about the terrific job Malcolm Glazer has done with Manchester United. I appreciate the intense and sincere gratitude showed by Man U fans towards Glazer and the United States of America. You're welcome, guys. Don't mention it. Anything we can do to help. Give yourselves some credit too - let's not forget that the players, coaches, and you - the fans - played a part, however small and insignificant, in this success as well. Pat yourselves on the back, guys. I know you all look up to and idolize the shining beacon of divinely bestowed prosperity that is America, but you must not downplay your own role in this monumental achievement. Do not feel indebted to us in any way, for as Americans we are motivated by nothing but sheer altruism. The smile on your faces and the hope and optimism in your eyes is all the reward we need.

Thank you all, and God bless America.

...and England, but not as much of course.

 

[farmboy]

*sniff sniff sniff*
I smell sarcasm.

 

[Run DMB]

*sniff sniff sniff*
I smell sarcasm.

I didn't know they had the internet in Alexandria.

I probably shouldn't talk though, seeing as how I currently reside in Bemidji.

 

[Help?]

In response to some previous arguments, i still don't see what Glazer exactly did to make United win the league this season? He made us spend resonably and watch closely every single transfer? That might be a good thing because we really do think 10 times before buyings players now but its also bad because that means we can't buy a good player without selling another good one. What else did he do? Cut back on a lot of costs by releasing a record number of players last summer as well as keep on increasing ticket prices. Now, i may not go Old Trafford because simply i don't have the luxury of possessing such spare change but it doesn't mean that i shouldn't care about it. It concerns the club and if it concerns the club than it concerns me.

I said before that Glazer wasn't gonna make any big unexpected moves any time soon because he wants the fans to forget about him and worry about the club. He is trying to get on our good side because he sees this club as a profitable business and the last thing you want for your business is unhappy customers. Like i said, he is not an idiot that is looking for a quick buck, he has a plan on how to erase the debts not a get quick rich scheme. Things like selling top players and the stadium name was never gonna happen and only the dumbest of people would think that Glazer might do such a thing. The man went from being the main feeder of his poor family while still a teenager to one of the richest people in the world and when he borrowed that much money, he wasn't gonna take any risks without analysing every single outcome 20 times.


Some of you keep saying 1-2 years ago everybody was calling United third best in the country at most, they didn't have any future and were a spent force past its glory days. I bolded the "spent force" part because i was hearing this in the newspapers, tv and especially this forums for the last 3 years from almost every non-United fan. And yet all this 3 years i was laughing at that comment everytime, while people kept saying that United is only going down from this and even though they finished ahead of Liverpool, they are very very lucky because Liverpool is WAY better and Arsenal should be above them as well. Rooney is just an uncontrollable trouble-maker while Ronaldo is a one-trick ponny who will get scared of the hard british defenders very soon and will run away back to his mommy in portugal. Well, L ******* OL. Now its my turn to laugh and say "I told you so". So, all those doubters who laughed at the idea that United just might be able to match Chelsea and completely outclass Liverpool and Arsenal are talking about Glazers being the reason for this season's success? This season's success has been on the cards for two years, ever since Rooney came over to join Ronaldo, the team was put into position to get back to where it has been for the last 15 years. Ruud/Carrick switch was just the final stroke.



So until somebody enlighten's me to what Glazer really did and not what he didn't do, to make United win the league this season, i will not thank him because fact stays a fact, we still have the most debts out there, which will be paid by us the fans through ticket prices and already unbelievably overpriced merchandise.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Well if you, the all knowing Help?, tainted with biased red colored glasses, saw greatness in United when no one else did, then obviously those players were great. Work on your time line buddy, and really that goes for everybody. Glazer took over the club in the summer of 2005. The 2003/2004 Season finished this way: United were 3rd in the Premiership (behind Arsenal and Chelsea), won the FA Cup, and eliminated by Porto in the First Knockout Stage of the Champions League (bested by Chelsea and Arsenal). The 2004/2005 Season finished this way: United were 3rd in the Premiership (behind Chelsea and Arsenal), lost the FA Cup Final to Arsenal and eliminated by AC Milan in the First Knockout Stage of the Champions League (bested by Liverpool, the Champions, and Chelsea).

It is patently clear that they were not as good as Arsenal and Chelsea. Clearly third best. They always finished ahead of Liverpool domestically, however Liverpool's CL Title is much more impressive than Man U's FA Cup, their only trophy of those two years.

1) You state that raising ticket prices hurts the club, but you are not personally bitter because you do not buy the tickets. Too bad you are wrong about it being bad for the club since they will quite clearly still sell as many tickets as ever next term, but they will get more money for it paying off that horrible debt.

2) He released players!? Oh no! What kind of a-hole releases career reservists and youth team players who will never make it with the first team! Once again that's good business and will help sort out the club's finances faster without hurting at all. I highly doubt Glazer released the next Ryan Giggs.

Look guys, just because you don't see the owner on the field does not mean that he doesn't play a part in the success. Is Franz Beckanbauer important to Bayern's success? Absolutely. Does he do anything that fans would notice (besides criticize players)? No. Contrary to what you believe, a Championship Team does not start on the pitch, it starts in the Front Office. That's why you see the same 3 teams winning the title every year despite evolving rosters, and it is NOT all about money. Man U won without huge spending in the early 90's and Arsenal did it a few years ago. Certainly they don't outspend clubs like Tottenham and Newcastle, but they always finish ahead of them. Why? Everyone attributes it to the manager, but it's not all that either, it starts in the front office.

This is my big point and I'm taking away all of the snarkiness that's been used in this thread; something changed since the summer of 2005, and it is beyond anything you see on the field. It has to be because the team is not drastically changed and the manager is the same. The only thing that is drastically different between the end of the 2004/2005 campaign and the end of the 2006/2007 campaign is the ownership, and it is naive to think it played no part. It is far beyond "Rooney and Ronaldo got better". Two players cannot win the EPL, especially considering many of your other position players are worse now than they were 2 years ago. And yet you are now a rising club, whereas in May of 2005 you were at the bottom of a significant decline.

 

[pefan]

Glad to see we're all in agreement about the terrific job Malcolm Glazer has done with Manchester United. I appreciate the intense and sincere gratitude showed by Man U fans towards Glazer and the United States of America. You're welcome, guys. Don't mention it. Anything we can do to help. Give yourselves some credit too - let's not forget that the players, coaches, and you - the fans - played a part, however small and insignificant, in this success as well. Pat yourselves on the back, guys. I know you all look up to and idolize the shining beacon of divinely bestowed prosperity that is America, but you must not downplay your own role in this monumental achievement. Do not feel indebted to us in any way, for as Americans we are motivated by nothing but sheer altruism. The smile on your faces and the hope and optimism in your eyes is all the reward we need.

Thank you all, and God bless America.

...and England, but not as much of course.

Christ what is your point?????

 

[pefan]

Since he wants to praise Glazer go ahead and praise him. Man Utd fans wont be doing that anytime soon.

 

[Thelonious]

This is my big point and I'm taking away all of the snarkiness that's been used in this thread; something changed since the summer of 2005, and it is beyond anything you see on the field. It has to be because the team is not drastically changed and the manager is the same. The only thing that is drastically different between the end of the 2004/2005 campaign and the end of the 2006/2007 campaign is the ownership, and it is naive to think it played no part. It is far beyond "Rooney and Ronaldo got better". Two players cannot win the EPL, especially considering many of your other position players are worse now than they were 2 years ago. And yet you are now a rising club, whereas in May of 2005 you were at the bottom of a significant decline.

I really can't see how you can make that leap to somehow crediting Glazer with the success this season, so far the change of ownership has yet to have a negative impact on the club, but there has been no tangible change with regards to the football side of the club.
The signings of Van der Sar, Park, Vidic and Evra have helped considerably with the improvement this year but you cannot argue that they would not have occured when the club was a PLC.
One crucial aspect you miss in your argument is the role of the opposition clubs, Arsenal have clearly regressed since 2005, with the loss of Vieira and the injuries to Henry and Van Persie for most of the season. While Chelsea also suffered from injuries this season and the signings of Ballack and Shevchenko have failed to deliver, I don't think many will argue that this Chelsea side was inferior to the side of the last couple of seasons.

 

[Run DMB]

In response to some previous arguments, i still don't see what Glazer exactly did to make United win the league this season? He made us spend resonably and watch closely every single transfer? That might be a good thing because we really do think 10 times before buyings players now but its also bad because that means we can't buy a good player without selling another good one. What else did he do? Cut back on a lot of costs by releasing a record number of players last summer as well as keep on increasing ticket prices. Now, i may not go Old Trafford because simply i don't have the luxury of possessing such spare change but it doesn't mean that i shouldn't care about it. It concerns the club and if it concerns the club than it concerns me.

I said before that Glazer wasn't gonna make any big unexpected moves any time soon because he wants the fans to forget about him and worry about the club. He is trying to get on our good side because he sees this club as a profitable business and the last thing you want for your business is unhappy customers. Like i said, he is not an idiot that is looking for a quick buck, he has a plan on how to erase the debts not a get quick rich scheme. Things like selling top players and the stadium name was never gonna happen and only the dumbest of people would think that Glazer might do such a thing. The man went from being the main feeder of his poor family while still a teenager to one of the richest people in the world and when he borrowed that much money, he wasn't gonna take any risks without analysing every single outcome 20 times.


Some of you keep saying 1-2 years ago everybody was calling United third best in the country at most, they didn't have any future and were a spent force past its glory days. I bolded the "spent force" part because i was hearing this in the newspapers, tv and especially this forums for the last 3 years from almost every non-United fan. And yet all this 3 years i was laughing at that comment everytime, while people kept saying that United is only going down from this and even though they finished ahead of Liverpool, they are very very lucky because Liverpool is WAY better and Arsenal should be above them as well. Rooney is just an uncontrollable trouble-maker while Ronaldo is a one-trick ponny who will get scared of the hard british defenders very soon and will run away back to his mommy in portugal. Well, L ******* OL. Now its my turn to laugh and say "I told you so". So, all those doubters who laughed at the idea that United just might be able to match Chelsea and completely outclass Liverpool and Arsenal are talking about Glazers being the reason for this season's success? This season's success has been on the cards for two years, ever since Rooney came over to join Ronaldo, the team was put into position to get back to where it has been for the last 15 years. Ruud/Carrick switch was just the final stroke.



So until somebody enlighten's me to what Glazer really did and not what he didn't do, to make United win the league this season, i will not thank him because fact stays a fact, we still have the most debts out there, which will be paid by us the fans through ticket prices and already unbelievably overpriced merchandise.

Thank you for your support, Help. Long live Glazer!

 

[Help?]

This is my big point and I'm taking away all of the snarkiness that's been used in this thread; something changed since the summer of 2005, and it is beyond anything you see on the field. It has to be because the team is not drastically changed and the manager is the same. The only thing that is drastically different between the end of the 2004/2005 campaign and the end of the 2006/2007 campaign is the ownership, and it is naive to think it played no part. It is far beyond "Rooney and Ronaldo got better". Two players cannot win the EPL, especially considering many of your other position players are worse now than they were 2 years ago. And yet you are now a rising club, whereas in May of 2005 you were at the bottom of a significant decline.

You still didn't tell me how Glazer was intrumental to this season's success? All you said is that United were third best before him and now they are the best.

The big difference from previous seasons to this season is that we barely had any injury throughout the year and only in the last 10 games we really got that bad spell, which is when we started leaking goals and a few points. In those two seasons when we finished 3rd, United had at some point as many as 7 injuried starters and that was happening right in the middle of the season, when teams solidify their position. During those seasons Chelsea didn't have any drastic injuries and always had enough cover. This season they had a huge injury problem at the back during a crucial Christmas period and they didn't have cover for them, so they ended up dropping a lot of points.

So again what exactly does Glazer do? Has he ever been to Old Trafford? And you barely see his sons there too. If you gonna praise someone from the front office, then it has to be David Gill and sure as hell not Glazer. Glazer's contribution to this season's success has been 2% at most and the huge debts that he put the club into completely overshadows that.


As for my biased opinion that i had 3 years ago when everybody was looking at me like i was a fool. I wasn't denying that United weren't the best in England, but what everybody was telling me is that we are done for good, while i was defending the team with excuses like injuries and the ever-United-loving FA. As you can see what i was saying happened this season, as we had our whole first team playing almost all the league games this season and we ended up winning. So i have every right to laugh at all those that said United will never come back, which i believe one of them was you.

 

[untouchable]

This is my big point and I'm taking away all of the snarkiness that's been used in this thread; something changed since the summer of 2005, and it is beyond anything you see on the field. It has to be because the team is not drastically changed and the manager is the same. The only thing that is drastically different between the end of the 2004/2005 campaign and the end of the 2006/2007 campaign is the ownership, and it is naive to think it played no part. It is far beyond "Rooney and Ronaldo got better". Two players cannot win the EPL, especially considering many of your other position players are worse now than they were 2 years ago. And yet you are now a rising club, whereas in May of 2005 you were at the bottom of a significant decline.

WUM 0/10


LOL Jesus lord you're not doing the rest of the world's interpretations of Americans' IQ any favors here. Glazer has done NOTHING to help us win the title, get it through your thick, patriotic ******* skull. I get on my knees and pray that you're really not that dense.

You say it can't be because of Rooney and Ronaldo getting better??? You say many of our other position players are worse now than they were 2 years ago? You've just shown that you know NOTHING about this team. You're not fit to make any comments about our club, because you know Carlos **** about it. The more you talk, the more stupid you sound so I suggest for your sake you shut the hell up, and soon.

FIRST OF ALL. Ronaldo and Rooney. Ronaldo has improved about 200% since he first came here. To give you any indication of the kind of season he's had, he has 23 goals and 20 assists this season, 17 of those goals in the EPL. FROM MIDFIELD. He has all but eliminated his diving(except for about 3 isolated incidents), his use of the ball and his teamates has improved DRASTICALLY...AND he has license to roam the pitch, instead of being stuck on the right wing. He has dragged this team to MANY victories/draws/key goals this season (Fulham away, Aston Villa away, Wigan at Home, Reading away, was instumental in getting that Roma away goal, delivered the freekick that lead to O'Shea scoring against Liverpool etc etc etc) These are ALL moments where we would've lost/dropped points in the past, but we didn't this season and that's because of him.

Rooney. Almost identical scoring and assist record. 23 goals, 16 assists. Like Ronaldo, he's come up TRUMPS at KEY moments this season. (single handedly dragged us to victory against Sheff Utd away. Single handedly destroyed Bolton away) To say that it couldn't have been because of them makes you sound STUPID.

SECOND OF ALL. The old heads coming up trumps. Paul Scholes, absolutely ESSENTIAL to us winning. Without him in midfield we were not winning this title, PERIOD. Notice he missed a LOT of last season when we did NOT win the league. Giggs, absolutely blinding season. Gary Neville, brilliant season where he spent most of his time charging forward into the opposition half.

THIRD, the new guys coming up big. Vidic, Evra, Carrick all had monster seasons. Vidic has been an absolute ROCK in the center of defense and has complemented Rio's style PERFECTLY. Not to mention he's scored some key goals from set pieces. Evra is barely recognizable from the shakey guy from January. His pace, technical ability and constant charges forward have been key to our attacking style.


You know what, lemme simplify it for you before this post becomes to long. We have won the title because of these reasons:

1)Ronaldo blossoming into a genuine, unselfish world class player.
2)Rooney's continued improvement and clutch performances.
3)Scholes' return
4)Our attacking style being completely unplayable. When Sir Alex benched Ruud, he noticed our team's attacking style went up 100%. We played quicker, more technical attacking football without him, so we sold him and never looked back. Teams couldn't stop us this season because our style is unplayable. Ronaldo doesn't stay on the wing, the fullbacks overlap, Saha is all over the place, Scholes and Carrick take turns charging forward, Rooney drops back deep to pick up the ball....Teams could've been able to stop us in previous seasons because we were predictable. Now we're not.
5)Squad players like Park, Brown, O'Shea, Ole, Smith playing well when we needed them most.
6) The drastic improvement of Vidic and Evra
7)Carrick's composure and passing in the middle.

All this has NOTHING to do with Glazer.

 

[Run DMB]

Thank you for your support, untouchable. I agree with you, Glazer has done a phenomenal job.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

WUM 0/10


LOL Jesus lord you're not doing the rest of the world's interpretations of Americans' IQ any favors here. Glazer has done NOTHING to help us win the title, get it through your thick, patriotic ******* skull. I get on my knees and pray that you're really not that dense.

You say it can't be because of Rooney and Ronaldo getting better??? You say many of our other position players are worse now than they were 2 years ago? You've just shown that you know NOTHING about this team. You're not fit to make any comments about our club, because you know Carlos **** about it. The more you talk, the more stupid you sound so I suggest for your sake you shut the hell up, and soon.

FIRST OF ALL. Ronaldo and Rooney. Ronaldo has improved about 200% since he first came here. To give you any indication of the kind of season he's had, he has 23 goals and 20 assists this season, 17 of those goals in the EPL. FROM MIDFIELD. He has all but eliminated his diving(except for about 3 isolated incidents), his use of the ball and his teamates has improved DRASTICALLY...AND he has license to roam the pitch, instead of being stuck on the right wing. He has dragged this team to MANY victories/draws/key goals this season (Fulham away, Aston Villa away, Wigan at Home, Reading away, was instumental in getting that Roma away goal, delivered the freekick that lead to O'Shea scoring against Liverpool etc etc etc) These are ALL moments where we would've lost/dropped points in the past, but we didn't this season and that's because of him.

Rooney. Almost identical scoring and assist record. 23 goals, 16 assists. Like Ronaldo, he's come up TRUMPS at KEY moments this season. (single handedly dragged us to victory against Sheff Utd away. Single handedly destroyed Bolton away) To say that it couldn't have been because of them makes you sound STUPID.

SECOND OF ALL. The old heads coming up trumps. Paul Scholes, absolutely ESSENTIAL to us winning. Without him in midfield we were not winning this title, PERIOD. Notice he missed a LOT of last season when we did NOT win the league. Giggs, absolutely blinding season. Gary Neville, brilliant season where he spent most of his time charging forward into the opposition half.

THIRD, the new guys coming up big. Vidic, Evra, Carrick all had monster seasons. Vidic has been an absolute ROCK in the center of defense and has complemented Rio's style PERFECTLY. Not to mention he's scored some key goals from set pieces. Evra is barely recognizable from the shakey guy from January. His pace, technical ability and constant charges forward have been key to our attacking style.


You know what, lemme simplify it for you before this post becomes to long. We have won the title because of these reasons:

1)Ronaldo blossoming into a genuine, unselfish world class player.
2)Rooney's continued improvement and clutch performances.
3)Scholes' return
4)Our attacking style being completely unplayable. When Sir Alex benched Ruud, he noticed our team's attacking style went up 100%. We played quicker, more technical attacking football without him, so we sold him and never looked back. Teams couldn't stop us this season because our style is unplayable. Ronaldo doesn't stay on the wing, the fullbacks overlap, Saha is all over the place, Scholes and Carrick take turns charging forward, Rooney drops back deep to pick up the ball....Teams could've been able to stop us in previous seasons because we were predictable. Now we're not.
5)Squad players like Park, Brown, O'Shea, Ole, Smith playing well when we needed them most.
6) The drastic improvement of Vidic and Evra
7)Carrick's composure and passing in the middle.

All this has NOTHING to do with Glazer.

Learn your ******* timeline dip****. I don't care about the improvement over last season, I care about the improvement over these past two seasons from the years immediately before Glazer arrived. There is a correlation between Glazer arriving and Manchester United getting better. You can try to explain it away as much as you like, but to ignore that Glazer has had some effect is ridiculous.

How am I patriotic? Don't be retarded.

 

[Seán D]

Thank you Glazer for bringing success to my club. We couldn't do it without you!!!

 

[Pogba4Now]

Learn your ******* timeline dip****. I don't care about the improvement over last season, I care about the improvement over these past two seasons from the years immediately before Glazer arrived. There is a correlation between Glazer arriving and Manchester United getting better. You can try to explain it away as much as you like, but to ignore that Glazer has had some effect is ridiculous.

How am I patriotic? Don't be retarded.

There might be a correlation between Glazer arriving and Manchester United getting better but that DOESN'T mean Glazer was the reason of manu's success. Thats ridiculous what you are saying. Your arguments are very unconvincing.