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Socrates said:Sorry but having Raul, Ronaldo, Eto'o, and Moro wouldnt work. People still want to play for Madrid but they want to be the strater of the games not the subs so this again wont work out.
With us being Madrid it would have been much more than 45 Million becuse clubs tend to overprice their players as soon as a club with lots of money gets involved.
Got to go now, i might have missed some things
RUSI said:True. That was a mistake, but who knew that Ronaldinho would turn out to be the best player in the world...
Tactics, Tactics, Tactics ...
Swerve said:No problem, I see your point, but about the minutes thing, that is why they call it a team, some people have to sacrafice for other's good (part of Madrid's problem now). Just so long as they played some, they would have at least given it a chance.
Also if I recall correctly, PSG wanted 12-18 million I think for Dinho, Madrid already owned half of Eto'o's rights so that would have been at the time 6-8 for the other half. I think anyways.
Swerve said:2. At that time Eto'o would not have had to play with Ronaldo, he would have been paired with either Raul or Morientes. Even if the two had to play together, they score their own goals, so "linking up" would not necessarily have been a huge problem (I have also seen Eto'o make some very clever passes). And one could also say that Raul and Ronaldo don't link up together that well either.
Swerve said:3. Replace Makelele with who? I think I listed the possibles in another post, and it would have been much cheaper to just pay him than go out and struggle to sign comparable players.
Swerve said:5. Owen and Morientes would have been content not starting as long as they played, as both said that they wanted to stay in Madrid, but both leaving because they were told they wouldn't play. I am sure that they could have found minutes for 2 of Europe's most dangerous strikershaving so many games in la liga, the copa del rey and the champion's league. Espcially considering who they have now (i.e. Baptista and Robinho).
Swerve said:6. I think that Madrid have a huge striker problem. When you have to play Robinho as a lone striker, that looks like a problem to me. Also, playing Ronaldo in El Classico with 3 days of prior training seems like a problem, Raul being out for months looks like a problem, and Baptista hurt also looks like a problem and Guti is not really a forward.
Swerve said:7. As for the midfield in the defence, someone could come in and help Madrid clean it up for a respectable league run, but they cannot win in Europe with the players they have in midfield and defense now.Midfield: No combination of an aging Zidane, an overworked Beckham, a lightweight Robinho, a useless Baptista, an average Garcia, and Gravesen and Guti can compete with Barca, Milan or Juventus' midfields or Chelsea's system.
As for the defense, "San Iker" is an appropriate name for the work Casillas has to put in. I have not seen any team in any league have to rely on their keeper that much and still be in the top 5 teams in the league. R. Carlos doesn't want to play in Europe anymore, let alone spain, Helguera throwing his hands up in the air all day says it all, Pavon is more cover than starter, Woodgate is luckless and Salgado is solid, but doesn't add enough going forward. Diogo and Mejia are squad players and Raul Bravo looks like he should be playing up top
Swerve said:So, while tactics have definitely been a problem, the players you have dictate those tactics, and as it stands now, Madrid's management create's alot of problems with its "Galacticos and Pavons" policy
ladylover said:Bringing Del Bosque back isn't going to solve anything, the problem IMO is the attitude of the players, if they don't want something, before you know it they win the battle and the manager gets sacked, Perez is also a fool for bringing in stars, this would happen sooner or later, Chelsea isn't a star filled team, but they have quality and they are prepared to listen to Mourinho and each other, the only star that is working hard atm is Beckham, but one player can't carry the whole team and that's why Real need a no-nonsense coach, if you can't shut up and listen, you won't play or you can leave
On what planet are you on? Makelele and Essien have started almost every game with one another when both are fit, except for the Arsenal game as Essien just arrived.Swerve said:4. Essien and Makelele usually do not play together
Rob said:On what planet are you on? Makelele and Essien have started almost every game with one another when both are fit, except for the Arsenal game as Essien just arrived.
Swerve said:MAN, I just spent like 15 minutes writing a response, so I think you raised some good points, but then my computer lost it!
We would have played Ronaldinho as a winger. We had two world-class wingers; Figo & Beckham(who we tried to play at CM ) It was easier to justify it at the time than it is now obviously.Swerve said:1. Nobody could have known Dinho would be as good as he is, but he was obviously going to be very, very good. Clubs were lining up across Europe to try to get him.
Swerve said:2. At that time Eto'o would not have had to play with Ronaldo, he would have been paired with either Raul or Morientes. Even if the two had to play together, they score their own goals, so "linking up" would not necessarily have been a huge problem (I have also seen Eto'o make some very clever passes). And one could also say that Raul and Ronaldo don't link up together that well either.
Swerve said:3. Replace Makelele with who? I think I listed the possibles in another post, and it would have been much cheaper to just pay him than go out and struggle to sign comparable players.
Swerve said:4. Essien and Makelele usually do not play together, as Cole is usually preferred. Chelsea play more or less 4 center backs (del horno and Gallas don't attack as much as you would think) and 5 attackers Duff, Robben, Drogba up top and Cole and Lampard attacking through the middle as AMs) That leaves Makelele to cover the defense and start attacks. Lampard only comes deep to collect the ball (because in their system he doesn't have to do much defending).
Swerve said:5. Owen and Morientes would have been content not starting as long as they played, as both said that they wanted to stay in Madrid, but both leaving because they were told they wouldn't play. I am sure that they could have found minutes for 2 of Europe's most dangerous strikershaving so many games in la liga, the copa del rey and the champion's league. Espcially considering who they have now (i.e. Baptista and Robinho).
Swerve said:6. I think that Madrid have a huge striker problem. When you have to play Robinho as a lone striker, that looks like a problem to me. Also, playing Ronaldo in El Classico with 3 days of prior training seems like a problem, Raul being out for months looks like a problem, and Baptista hurt also looks like a problem and Guti is not really a forward.
If played correctly, we definitely have the talent to do it, but our tactics as I have said were awful.Swerve said:7. As for the midfield in the defence, someone could come in and help Madrid clean it up for a respectable league run, but they cannot win in Europe with the players they have in midfield and defense now.
Midfield: No combination of an aging Zidane, an overworked Beckham, a lightweight Robinho, a useless Baptista, an average Garcia, and Gravesen and Guti can compete with Barca, Milan or Juventus' midfields or Chelsea's system.
Swerve said:As for the defense, "San Iker" is an appropriate name for the work Casillas has to put in. I have not seen any team in any league have to rely on their keeper that much and still be in the top 5 teams in the league. R. Carlos doesn't want to play in Europe anymore, let alone spain, Helguera throwing his hands up in the air all day says it all, Pavon is more cover than starter, Woodgate is luckless and Salgado is solid, but doesn't add enough going forward. Diogo and Mejia are squad players and Raul Bravo looks like he should be playing up top
Swerve said:So, while tactics have definitely been a problem, the players you have dictate those tactics, and as it stands now, Madrid's management create's alot of problems with its "Galacticos and Pavons" policy.
Se7eN said:Just buy a player that actually gives everything he can on the field and that can do the dirty job without moaning or wanting a 7 digit salary per year. There, problem solved .
Jedi Mind Trick said:eh, beat me to it. i was just gonna say it.
can we all agree that if anyone is to blame, everyone should be looking towards mr. perez?
WilliamFAlmeida said:Now that Madrid has Fired Luxemburgo...
give some opinions on where this team has screwed up. No General hating please, lets make this a civil discussion. What would you do if you were in charge with all those assets?
Seven8 said:Madrid doesn't play entertaining football like Barca atm - that's the reason which I think was the cause for firing him.
btw R@ul your sig is too big
Rob said:On what planet are you on? Makelele and Essien have started almost every game with one another when both are fit, except for the Arsenal game as Essien just arrived.
Swerve said:This planet, thanks for asking. Seems I was putting Cole in for Essien instead of Robben while he was injured. My mistake, wrong is wrong.
But, Ronaldo would not and cannot play every game, he hasn't in years, that is why the cover would have been good, and I am not sure many people think that he is still the best striker in the world (let alone Brazil). If those guys couldn't accept being on the bench, they could have been sold for much more than was actually gotten for them, plus Soldado is nowhere near as good as any other top teams' backups (del Piero, Inzaghi, Gudjohnson, Larsson, etc. all world class players who accept coming off the bench). But I guess that we can all agree that Madrid has got some serious work to do regardless of where the major problems are.
**The BlueBalla is right too that Robinho should have spent some time in a less intimidating environment before coming to Madrid.
TheBlueBalla said:A practical man like Hierro, assuming he isnt lost in his new role, will presumably get heart and soul guys, like himself, into Madrid. They would be well served to sell a few of these names and egos and replace them with less glamorous, and im not trying to be racist but, Spanish talent who realize the honor of playing for that team, rather than the joy of getting a fat paycheck.
Then that, frankly, is tragic. Some people on this board seemed to be really happy with the hiring, but if its like you claim it will be, then another PR stint by the board to duct tape their leaky raft has apparrently worked.panxoman said:Hierro won't do anything. If he has accepted to return with Florentino after how he was dispatched, he won't have the balls to discuss the oficial club policy.
Besides Hierro was a very good player but outside the football pitch he's not a very intelligent person... to say it in a kind way.
His return is just a curtain to hidde some problems until the end of the season and to give people other things to talk about. That's all.